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Powerball Multiplier: Completely Rigged?

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Chat' started by theotherone, May 11, 2016.

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  1. theotherone

    theotherone Low-Roller

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    So I play powerball, mega millions, and some other lottery games but I rarely do the multiplier option. Years ago they would hold a promotion about once a year where the multiplier could be up to 10x and I would okay then on a ticket or 2 but I've not seen that much at all unfortunately.

    The other day I was checking some tickets and I noticed on the results page where there's at least 50 per page, almost ALL multiplier results were 2 or 3x. You have maybe 2 or 3 where it hit 4x and about once , MAYBE twice for 5x (which is the max)

    I'm no math expert, but shouldn't it be the same odds for all numbers? 2,3,4, or 5, seems it should be even distribution but clearly it isn't.

    Could it be that (gasp!) the lottery is trying to take advantage of unsuspecting players?!?!
     
  2. Joe Strummer

    Joe Strummer VIP Whale

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    It's just another gimmick ( with terrible odds ) ) by the lottery -
    to get another buck out of players.
    I understand your question.......don't know the answer.
    But --
    now instead of playing one dollar -- you play more money for the multiplier.
    And how many times is it gonna make any difference ?.....
    In my life --- have I ever had 4 numbers ?
     
  3. tringlomane

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    Why do the multipliers necessarily be equally likely? For instance, if equal probabilities were required on prize wheels on slot machines, those would be a lot less interesting.

    If the multiplier probabilities were 25% each for 2X, 3X, 4X, 5X, then the $1 power play bet would return 67.13 cents and they would make decent money.

    But Powerball is used to making about a 50% profit, so the probabilities are not equal and are weighted as follows.

    When 10X isn't available
    2x...57.14%
    3x...30.96%
    4x...7.14%
    5x...4.76%

    Weighting the multipliers lower gives the lottery what they're looking for. Only 45.9 cents per dollar power play wager is returned in increased prizes. When 10X is available the probabilities are shifted a little bit and hitting 10X is 1 in 43 (2.33%). The power play wager then returns 50 cents on the dollar.

    The powerball website breaks down the odds pretty well.

    http://www.powerball.com/powerball/pb_prizes.asp
     
  4. Joe

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    Tring, our numbers man!:thumbsup:
    Just don't get on a flight and start doing math! :poke:
     
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  5. theotherone

    theotherone Low-Roller

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    Thanks Tringlomane. I made the mistake of referring to the TN lottery site for this info. It only includes how to play and the payout table. They traditionally do not give out any more info Than they have to so I should have known to go directly to the PB site.
     
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    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Lol. I would be okay. I'm not Italian. ;)
     
  7. Alexander

    Alexander Low-Roller

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    The Fantasy 5 EZ
    Match and Lucky Money with EZ Match ar $2 each do seem rigged. You pick 5 numbers and hope that the bottom numbers hit a prize, and at that night's drawing, you hope that your numbers are pulled. For example, I play 2 4 6 8 10 on EZ Match. The bottom numbers are 2-$2, 18-$500, 23-$500,25-$500, and 32-$500. The number that I chose that ended up on the bottom just mysteriously happened to match the lowest prize, which is just my money back, while all the other numbers that I didn't choose all were worth $500. Total coincidence. Total coincidence. Lucky Money with EZ Match is the same way, except you match 4 numbers nd a Lucky ball number. You wait until that night's drawing too.
     
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    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    I don't think I would call it rigged when Florida gives you the odds for EZ Match. See the bottom of the page linked below It just acts like another version of a scratch-off. All scratch-offs tease you with big losing prizes.

    http://www.flalottery.com/luckyMoney-howToPlay

    But if you are really playing 2 4 6 8 10 for the actual fantasy 5 draw, you really should pick new numbers, imo.
     
  9. Alexander

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    I do actually play 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 a lot when I play EZ Match. ;) I once put 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, and 8 showed up on the bottom as $1,000! I was ecstatic! :D My happiness quickly turned into horror and fury when I realized that the Cashier had put "Quick pick!" And none of the Quick picks matched! Boy I was livid and told the Cashier off for putting Quick pick and costing me $1,000!" I even showed my original slip that showed my numbers that would have won me the big money. The Cashier didn't seem all that apologetic for putting Quick pick instead. I feel this is how people on slots feel when the slot says their hit is worth $5,000 and the Casino claims it is a machine malfunction and refuses to pay the Gambler.
     
  10. theotherone

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    That is harsh, and a good reminder to always check your ticket. I've made errors while filling mine out before, and once when saying the numbers to the clerk she missed one but it wasn't a $1000 error :-(

    Also does FL use actual balls to determine the outcome or is it computer generated?

    TN uses computers for Cash 3 and Cash 4 so I don't play. Too many times I'll be one number off and I swear it's just to taunt me. For instance a few months ago I played 666 but three in 686 just for kicks. Damned if they didn't draw 886 that night. This has happened on several occasions. Either it's rigged or I need to adjust my intuition haha
     
  11. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    No, this is not rigged (anymore than the lottery is bad bet in the first place).

    It is just odds, like the slot machine. Different payouts for different "wins".
     
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    Whenever I have the urge to play Powerball, I just go in the backyard and light a $2 bill on fire in my firepit. At least I can warm my hands with that.


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  13. jamesxnj

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    Trig is correct as always about picking that set of #'s..Too many others may have the same combo.Few years ago the Fantasy 5 came out all consecutive/combo of numbers and there were over 100 winning tix,paid zip really in this game where $200k is daily norm.(For one winning ticket)
    I've been hooked into the FL lottery for some years and still playing a combo of Fantasy Five #'s I'm confident will not be split too many times.
    It's hard to pencil a ticket with these numbers as opposed to a drive by $1 quick sale...I f you play you know what I'm talking about..GL everyone
     
  14. Alexander

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    James, what you said about too many ties in a Lottery reminds me of Whole Lotto Trouble episode from Martin show in the '90s. Martin realized all of his numbers matched the $2.5 million Lottery prize, and immediately went crazy buying a whole bunch of stuff on credit(one of them being a Stairmaster who acknowledges you by name, kind of creepy, I just thought as I write this, LOL)giving Pam a coupon for free waxes(She is rightfully offended, LOL), dressing Gina and himself in fancy clothes, getting a mani/pedi, and writing a $2,000 check to Tommy.

    He and Gina are horrified to learn at the Lottery Press Conference that Martin's winning numbers matched about 311 other people's tickets and that they are only getting $50 before taxes every week(so maybe $25). Gina is so outraged that she jumps on a Lottery Official's back! LOL! Luckily the Lottery Official is understanding that she thought she and Martin were going to get $2.5 million and not only $25 a week and decides not to press charges. At the end Martin calculates that they are in the hole for $1,000 even if he returns the extravagant stuff he bought on credit
     
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