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Table Games Playing catch-up

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by SW, Jul 26, 2013.

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  1. SW

    SW Well-Known Member

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    Playing catch-up just doesn’t work for me. During my last blackjack session, I started off terribly. Beat the dealer maybe 3 or 4 times of the first 20 hands or so. The guy in front of me, playing greens, lost maybe 3 or 4 times in the same period. Starting thinking that my luck has got to change soon so instead of playing my usually reds I started playing the greens. No luck change. And soon I’m down big for my standards. Unfortunately, this has happened before. I wish the big wins came as easy as the big losses.
     
  2. stackinchips

    stackinchips High-Roller

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    It's always better to play from ahead than come back from a hole. This can be said about my overall trips as well. It's nice to have a good first day or two and have a nice cushion to play with the rest of the trip than to dig yourself a hole and try to grind your way back the rest of the trip. Plus it puts you in a good mood to be "up" while in Vegas. If I can have that from the first night, it makes the trip that much better.

    Also whether its just a session, or a whole trip, when I get up a decent amount, I am likely to set a stop-loss and lock in a win. If I manage to double up a buy in (or better) I'll set a stop point and keep playing til I hit that or win more and adjust accordingly. I've been lucky enough on a couple trips to have some great runs and lucky slot hits on the first night of my trip that more than doubled up my entire trip bankroll. There's nothing better than those trips where after the first 24 hours, I know I'm going home a winner and I can only add to my winnings the rest of the trip. I just wish that happened more often!
     
  3. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    yeah, you just never know when it's going to change. I've had sessions where it started bad and got worse and I lost a ton and I've had other sessions where I started bad and kept digging deeper and deeper until hitting a great run and making it all back and more. for me it's all about my mindset. if I'm losing and getting frustrated and mentally down and tired and upset, I quit. no chance of a comeback then. however, if I'm still feeling fresh and good, just not having the luck, I tend to stay the course and stick it out. those are the times when I have a chance to make the comeback.

    but I find that the big wins come just as easily as the big losses. the reason most gamblers win small and lose big is their mindset. they get up a little bit and they walk away because they feel happy they won something. however, when they're losing, they keep digging and digging until they lose a ton. if you stay the course either way, you can have huge wins just as big, if not bigger than your losses. my biggest session wins are just as big as my biggest session losses. and that's the key to longevity in gambling.
     
  4. FXT

    FXT VIP Whale

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    Exactly what Shifter said. When most people are winning, they dont press as hard as when they're down. I suffer from the same problem. When Im down the bets get quadrupled to try and get back to even faster. When Im winning I press up a unit here and there lol
     
  5. Kickin

    Kickin Flea

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    I swear the majority of the people I talk to at the tables say they just want to get back to even. I say the same thing a lot of times. Kind of funny we spend so much time trying to get back to even when we were even before we decided to gamble in the first place. :evillaugh

    I am one of those types shifter refers to who walks after a small win a lot of times. If the table is really fun I may not, but usually if I'm up about 10 bets I tend to walk, even 5 bets if it was a difficult grind to get there. I just like being up, I know I may be giving up on a great streak but I feel that more often than not I end up giving it back and wishing I left earlier. I don't bet enough where even an incredible win would bring me much more joy than a small win so I'd rather try having more frequent wins than occasional big ones. To each his own...
     
  6. SW

    SW Well-Known Member

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    Guilty as charged. The number of my session wins vs session losses are fairly close. But the size of my wins pale compared to my losses.

    I better keep practicing.
     
  7. LV_Bound

    LV_Bound VIP Whale

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    And carry a bigger bankroll. :thumbsup:
     
  8. SW

    SW Well-Known Member

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    Indeed. :thumbsup:
     
  9. boxcars

    boxcars High-Roller

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    I remember last March, we play craps the first day/night and got slaughtered. Absolutely could not catch a break. Spent the next day grinding away and it was choppy. Finally, it was the third day where we made all our money back plus a little.

    The thing is, I can never seem to get up right away! !

    Regardless, I love playing the game so much that it was fun. I take what I can afford to lose, but it's nice to come home breaking even or winning.
     
  10. firstkill

    firstkill High-Roller

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    Its funny, I always start out of a hole (it seems like)

    After I started to ride through the rough patches, I found things similar to Shifter.

    When I started, after I lose a few in a row, id get up and move. lose a little more some where else. And drop a little here and there. Never really lost a lot at one time or place (but it adds up)

    I did this with wins also, but for some reason between cabs/tipping/ and mis stuff I wouldn't feel like I won.


    Now I started to just ride through the luck and have no fear of pressing if I "feel it"

    Of course ive ran into those times where it just sucks until the bankroll is gone or the bad mood sets in.

    just remember we are doing this to have fun!

    fk
     
  11. lvmb

    lvmb Low-Roller

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    I almost never press when I'm down. Here's why;

    Obviously I'd like to win, but playing a negative expectation game is not the place to expect to win. So, you could almost say my primary aim is to play as long as I'm enjoying myself and my bankroll holds out.

    Most sessions are decided on the splits and doubles, so if luck isn't on your side you'll be losing them more than winning them. If you're already down and pressing, this will wipe out your bankroll even faster.

    Runs of good luck happen every now and again, but you can never tell it's a run until it's over. I prefer to give myself more time at the table to encounter them naturally than to try to "force" the issue by pressing during a run of bad luck. After x losses in a row you can't tell if it's the end of a bad run of x hands, or only x hands into a nightmare run of y hands!

    I've managed to claw my way back from felt to profit by being patient.
    Don't get me wrong though, there have been many times I haven't.

    Overall though, I'd rather be playing than not, so it feels better to me to try to grind back up flat betting than to get wiped out early in a session trying to get out of the hole quickly.
     
  12. Rush

    Rush High-Roller

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    Most gamblers are willing to risk $500 to win $50, and that's exactly what they do.

    Since gambling is a negative expectation game.....guess which one happens more?



    This is exactly why "don't bettors" at craps walk away shaking their heads just as much as the regular players.
     
  13. casinoboy

    casinoboy Low-Roller

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    once i am up i like to put some chips away and play with the rest of the winnings if i win more great if i loose them i walk away with a profit that i put in my pocket. thats how i played last night and am up right now but i would have lost because the table became bad. but when you are down right from the start it is hard sometimes to make it back,i try to keep my bet small when i am down so i can wait for a winning streak hopefully. the worst feeling is when you loose your bankroll too quickly and get only a little playing time from it. that used to happen to me a lot when i chased losses with bigger bets.

    every gambler looses over time and anyone that tells you they dont is lying or an advantage player or extremely lucky,the only difference for losses is how much and how fast it happens.
     
  14. topcard

    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    The trick to "low-roller" blackjack...well, mine at least, is this:

    Know when you sit down that you are leaving at set point. For me, it's either down $100 or up $80 or better (when playing a $5 or $10 table).

    Now, there are times (plenty of them, actually) when I feel really good about a table or a dealer...sometimes, it's just the company I have at the table. Whatever the reason, if I feel good about where I am, I will do a "re-set"... so, if I find myself up (or down) $100, I take a restroom break. When I come back, I wait for the shuffle & order a fresh cocktail. I even change seats sometimes, if the table's not crowded.
    For two-deck games (75% of my play), if I'm on crappy run (4+ losses in a row), or a really bad count (-4 or worse), I will sit out the rest of the deck. Even when mid-deck entry is permitted.

    Despite the perception some of you may have about blackjack, I actually do have more winning sessions than losing ones. Yes, I try to keep a fairly-accurate count most of the time, but even when I'm not keeping a strict count (or an accurate one), I cannot help but notice the cards that just came out on the last hand.
    16 cards dealt with zero to two ten-cards? I'm pressing. Every time.
    12 cards dealt with 7 or 8 ten-cards? I'm sitting out the remainder of the deck. Every time.
    This irritates some people, but I don't care. Last trip, I was playing the two-deck game at 4 Queens. First hand out of the first deck, 14 cards were dealt and 8 of them were ten-cards. I won the hand with 20. And I sat out the rest of the deck (no mid-deck entry there).
    One of the players that had been there when I arrived got pissed, and he let me know it. He asked, "why sit down at a table if you're not going to play?".
    MY answer was "Because I just saw 8 tens come out. Did you miss that? I don't mind waiting for the shuffle."
    This just irritated him more, and he boasted/predicted that hopefully the dealer would bust on every hand that I was out. I told him that I hoped he was right.
    He wasn't, of course. The dealer won every hand from every player the rest of the deck.
    He blamed me of course, (for "changing" the cards)...I just shrugged and said - "I will be doing that every time it happens, so if it bugs you that much, consider this fair warning."

    My point is, I will do things like that on any session. Same thing with presses after a ten-poor hand is dealt. Most players won't or don't do this. I cannot help but believe that this is a key component to my success at blackjack.

    Does that make me an "advantage player"? ~shrug~ I have no idea.
    But I do tend to miss many 'hot' dealer runs; runs that kill other players who "ride it out". And I also tend to have more money bet when I get 20s.
    :beer:
     
    Seems like forever from now, but the flights are booked, so it counts!
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