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Table Games Pai Gow Shuffler

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Aw234, Sep 30, 2012.

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  1. Aw234

    Aw234 Low-Roller

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    Hi, not sure if this has been asked before, but I'm wondering how a Pai Gow shuffle machine works. I've heard the cards are placed random in the drum. I've heard it's a computer chip that reads each card and determines placement. Any body have any idea?


    Thank you

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  2. Dougie

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    I have no clue. The above option seems to imply the hands are predetermined and each casino could control its payout just like a slot machine. If this is the case, I wont play any longer.
     
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    It's a random shuffler just like all random shufflers.

    However, most machines electronically scan each card (I'm pretty sure it's a visual thing, nothing electronic inside the cards) and knows exactly what each hand contains AS it is dealt. For conspiracy theorists, realize that the random number (to determine who gets the first cards) is selected before the dealing begins, so it can't maneuver the cards to give the dealer the better hand.

    Some tables have a touch screen built in to the table and they can just punch the position number and it will tell the dealer exactly how to play that hand according to the house way (it shows the 2-card hand to play). They also use this to verify a big payout hand, proving the the hand was actually dealt that way and preventing players from cheating by switching cards to get some huge bonus.
     
  4. y2mulder

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    The newer shufflers do have card recognition software, and the suits even use it to sort the cards through the machine. Its actually pretty useful, and as another poster stated, you can use it to verify big hands.

    Now, before you all freak out....everything is still very much random. In the normal setting, it reads the cards, but nothing more. A casino would be completely bonkers to rig a Pai-Gow game to make a few bucks, and then lose 40 Trillion dollars in slot revenue when gaming closes them down. Nothing to see here, I promise.
     
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    The standard auto-shuffler is just that. An auto-shuffler that groups the 53 cards into 8 groups. Seven groups of 7 cards each and the last of 4 cards. Independent from that is a RNG that selects a number 1-7 which determines the starting position of the cards. Some games use a set of 3 dice for the same purpose.

    The enhanced shufflers do optically read each card as they go out of the shuffler. Doing this it can build the set of cards each hand has and then display the 'house way' at the touch of a button. This works great, when the thing is programmed right (I sat in on a hand where it displayed the house way incorrectly and I took great delight in poking fun at the floor over the matter). Again, an integrated, but supposedly logically separate RNG will generate the number from which dealing begins.

    Hardcore conspiracy theorists won't play a PGP game that isn't dice-driven as anything else could represent an opportunity for malfeasance by the house. Just because the two elements don't talk to each other, doesn't mean they couldn't, right? That said, I don't have any real problem with either shuffler. What I don't like is the commission calculator on that enhanced shuffler because I don't think you're qualified to deal any Asian game if you can't take 5% of 785 and get to 39.25 inside of 5 seconds. Even without doing the math, the bet would be Purple + 2 blacks + 3 green + 2 red = $25+$10+$3.75 + $0.50 in commission. But I'm an elitist.
     
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    Thank you. We were playing the other night and the subject came up and nobody had answer.
     
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    Thank you for the responce. I've heard so much bitchin about this when the dealer puts together a winning streak.

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    DuckyD, thanks to you and everybody that replied with great info

    Aw234
     
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