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Table Games Pai Gow Poker 7 Card Straight Flush

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by 2VegasNuts, May 7, 2012.

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  1. 2VegasNuts

    2VegasNuts High-Roller

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    I am mostly a BJ player, but for the past year I have started playing pai gow to kill time when BJ is not going well. If you play pai gow, you know that a 7card straight flush pays 5000-1. I have never met a dealer who has dealt one, but it must happen...right?

    So, Saturday night at NYNY hotel I was playing pai gow after a couple hours of losing BJ. I look at my cards one by one...first card 3d, then 5d, 7d, 6d...I am thinking flush...2d..Yes!, then 4d, OMG! I pinch off the last card...Ac. Bummer.

    Has anyone ever had a 7 card st8 flush in pai gow? How common do you think a 6 card st8 flush is?(What are the odds?) I felt open ended I had the best shot I will ever get. Even the wild would have been nice :)
     
  2. alexanbo

    alexanbo High-Roller

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    The closest I got was needing the 8 of diamonds for my last card. Squeezed it out and it was a red 8. Unfortunately on the next squeeze the heart revealed itself.... well of course i didn't have a bonus bet at the time but the rest of the table got an envy bonus and i was left with a straight with jack up top......
     
  3. DuckyD77090

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    First off, if you're playing on a table that's only 5,000:1 on a 7-card straight flush (no joker), you're playing on a bad table. The old-school (one might say, "Standard") payout for that is 8,000:1.

    If my math is right*, there are 1440 six-card <i>natural</i> straight flushes possible out of 154,143,080 possible combinations of 7 cards. This would happen .00093% of all PGP hands played. At 30 hands an hour (2 mins/hand), I calculate that this happens 2-3 times a year on a fictional table that's open for 24 hours straight.

    Only once in about 2.5 years on this same table with the 7th card drop. (That is, a 7-card straight flush (combined wild+natural) is 2.5 times as unlikely as a 6-card natural straight flush).

    From what I understand (meaning: this is totally useless and based entirely on heresay) a natural 7-card straight flush happens about 1-2 times a year in all of Vegas.


    *There are 4 suits, 8 six-card straight flushes (6-high through A-high) within each suit and each six-card straight flush must be accompanied by one of the 45 remaining cards that does not complete a natural- or wild-seven-card straight flush.
     
  4. loonytoony

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    I got a Royal and then a straight flush 2 hands later. Pretty good session.
     
  5. shifter

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    a buddy of mine had the same thing happen a few years back. 6 cards, needed one more, but didn't get it.
     
  6. 2VegasNuts

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    Thanks for the math! The dealer just went on like "oh well, here's your 5 card st8 flush payout". I guess that's like me when I lose a 4 split, 4 DD hand of BJ with my largest bet of the night. Everyone goes "Unbelieveable" and I say "seen it many times".
     
  7. BLNT

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    I have heard those comments from behind as well... it's always when you've got it all on the line. For some reason, those make/break hands typically go SOUTH (never mind the dealer 5 or 6 showing... how do they always seem to pull 20/21 out of those?) !!!
     
  8. blueivories

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    I've met a couple of players who claim to have gotten it and a couple of dealers who claim to have dealt it. I believe the dealers, not so much the players.
     
  9. GeorgeJ.

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    This again brings up what happens if you're playing Pai Gow at one of the casinos (Station Casinos, Cannery and South Point all high signs on their tables that say "$25,000 aggregate table payout") that limit the amount they'll pay on a Bonus win.

    I played last week at Aliante, Boulder, Eastside Cannery & South Point and they all had the 8000-1 payout on the 7-card-Straight Flush (I believe that 7-card with Joker counted) but the $25,000 table limit....which should pay you $40,000 with a $5 Bonus bet and 8000-1 odds.

    I asked a pit boss at Aliante earlier this year what would happen if someone did get a 7-card-Straight-Flush and had a $5 bet on the Bonus and others at the table were eligible for the Envy Bonus (which pays $5000 on the hand)...she said it would be divided between the players...so the person with the hand wouldn't even get the $25,000 maximum (not to mention they wouldn't get the $40,000 they should for a $5 bonus bet)...If you were playing the $1 progressive bet, it wouldn't be too bad since it was about $150,000 at that time and you'd get 100% of that...

    But I can just imagine a riot in the pit if the players were told that they'd all get less than the advertised payouts....if you know what I'm talkin' about...
     
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