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Pai Gow comps/offers???

Discussion in 'Comps' started by reedy, Dec 18, 2012.

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  1. reedy

    reedy Low-Roller

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    I'm mainly a sports/poker player while in LV with the occasional Beejay-esk roulette spin.

    I was going to try my hand at pai gow this trip and was planning on playing around $25-$50 per hand. I'm going to be stay at Ballys and was wondering if this type of play will generate any offers through TR or if that level of play is too small. Probably playing around 4-5 hours a day over a 2 day period.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. david44143

    david44143 Tourist

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    Pai Gow Poker comps are low because so few hands are played in an hour compared to BJ or 3 card poker. However, I did achieve Diamond level this year and I play over 90% Pai Gow and my average bet is probably $30-40. But I play a lot. They opened a Horseshoe in downtown Cleveland in May and I'm there twice a week, plus three trips to Vegas this year.
     
  3. DuckyD77090

    DuckyD77090 Tourist

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    The main comp you get in Pai Gow is alcohol. Lots and lots and lots of alcohol. :beer: :drunk: :faint:. I'm not at all kidding.

    Other than that, the cash comps are definitely less than BJ. At $50 for 4 hours a day, you should definitely receive some room comps, but it would be at Quad/Ballys/Harrahs/Rio with maybe a snag at a mid-range (Paris/PHo) here or there.

    You may get rated more favorably with a $5 bonus bet. But, that bet has a lot of variance and if you're not hitting it.. It can eat through your bankroll quickly.

    On a side note - Does anyone else find it weird that BJ/PGP are comped differently? House edge on PGP is 2.73%; Blackjack (assuming you know what you're doing) is usually around 1%. BJ plays about 2.5-3x faster than PGP. So it should all work out as a wash, no?
     
  4. klawrey

    klawrey High-Roller

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    Ducky, I'm sure the difference in comp accrual has to do with the volatility of the game. Blackjack it is comes out to Play wins 44%, Dealer wins 48%, Tie 8% while Pai Gow Poker comes out to Player wins 28.61%, Dealer wins 29.91%, Tie 41.48%. Therefore it is much more likely that the PGP player is betting the same chips over and over again, while the Blackjack player is constantly exchanging chips with the dealer (ie. exactly what the casino wants!).
     
  5. reedy

    reedy Low-Roller

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    Thanks for the info.

    A comped room here and there is fine with me. I pretty much always stay at Ballys {not sure why I love the place so much?????}.
     
  6. klawrey

    klawrey High-Roller

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    Reedy, I am a CET guy and traditionally make only one annual trip to Vegas, though this year I am stepping it up to 2. I play Blackjack and Pai Gow Poker almost exclusively plus sports betting. I traditionally play $25 a hand as my start for both games and press it often (have had as much as $300 on a single hand). I play about 8 hours a day for my 4 day trips and regularly get comped rooms.

    CET in my opinion takes much better care of table players than MLife in terms of upfront comps especially rooms (have never been comped a MLife room and my home casino in Detroit is the MGM). My Total Rewards rate calendar regularly shows "comp" for most standard rooms at all properties with Caesars Palace being the occasional exception on a weekend here and there. I am headed to Planet Hollywood in about 2 weeks for 4 comped nights there. So your play should definitely warrant some kind of room comps. Just log make sure you check the rate calendar online while logged in because it tends to change day to day.
     
  7. reedy

    reedy Low-Roller

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    That, my friend, is good information.

    Cheers.
     
  8. klawrey

    klawrey High-Roller

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    You got it man. Will be trying to post a Trip Report of my upcoming trip, if you'd like to check it out in a few weeks. If you have any other questions feel free to PM me and I'll do my best to answer from my personal experience.
     
  9. DuckyD77090

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    This is likely correct. In a more volatile game, the risk of ruin - losing all your chips - is more prevalent. It's a hell of a lot easier to go on a bad run in BJ and bust out than it is in PGP. And once you go busto, the long-term statistical cost of the game (house edge) is irrelevant... Because you can't play any more.
     
  10. abrown83

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    I think it is even more straight forward than that. While the theoretical house advantage on Blackjack is anywhere between .5% to 1.5%, the actual house advantage is probably like 3% to 5%. On the flip side, with dealer help, Pai Gow is generally played a lot closer to theoretical house advantage.
     
  11. Konzul

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    I played PGP for the first time two trips ago and I love it. Played up to 300 dollar a deal.

    I am RFL at the GN. Funny enough yesterday when my host called me to confirm my reservation and a question about PGP he made sure to tell me that its a really bad game for comps. Hit my by total surprise that he would even mention something. I wonder if its just as I did not loose as much as I did on other games my last trip.
     
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