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Non-tipping travel partners

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by booker, Sep 3, 2013.

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  1. booker

    booker High-Roller

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    I have two friends with whom I will no longer travel simply because they not only hate to tip, they virtually do not.

    Recently, while visiting casino buffets, John got all over me for leaving a tip. "Nobody tips at a buffet," he sternly admonished, "because you're NOT supposed to!"

    We had quite the discussion, but he just disgustedly shook his head. BTW, I don't believe he tips in restaurants when he picks up the tab.

    Don will leave tips in restaurants, but 10% would be pushing it. He will tip a buck for a drink in a casino IF I remind him and call him a cheap a$$. But the straw that broke the camel's back with me was when he said that if I left a tip for housekeeping, he would take it. "They have jobs, if they don't like the pay, they need to get a better job!" There was no reasoning with him. BTW, I did leave a tip, he didn't take it, but I've never heard the end of how I "Throw Money Around!"

    How would you react to these situations? Me: I guess I'm just passive aggressive. I tell them why I tip, why they should, then shut up. It will be a cold day in Hades before I go with either to Vegas again.
     
  2. texdan17

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    I'm embarrassed by people who do not tip properly. I don't over tip but I realize those people whom I choose to tip usually earn it through some sort of service action. Housekeepers are probably the most deserving people I tip. The guy who whistles for the next cab in line, the least...but I still do.

    ALL my friends know that when they go with me to the casino (especially almost always on my comp) they are to tip when told to tip. In fact, I have a slew of folks that follow my tradition of 5 bucks on the first round for cocktail waitresses on the floor and then at least a buck (or more if the spirit and/or service moves you).

    To me, a buck here or there and 15-25% on a meal is no big deal and an expectation. I too would not travel with them again...
     
  3. lucky13

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    I think you are writing off friendships on a very weak argument .....
    so they don't tip , get over it and leave a little extra when you tip...
    now I always tip , but I think this society forces it upon us ,and I don't always agree with the reasons to tip , but I do
    so I tip the waitress for bringing my food and drink....what about the cook?....or cashier?....hostess?
    what really pisses me off is when the waitress takes your money and bill and asks if you want the change back ....
    of course I do , if I didn't I would have said so
    and tipping for a cab ride ....jesus they try to long haul you and I am still expected to tip .......why ?
    all they did was drive you somewhere , no labor involved
    everyone says these jobs are underpaid , I bet they make more than you think and if they are underpaid , why not let them get a fair wage from the employer and not rely so much on he public ?
    if the waitress makes 3.50 per hour doesn't that make the restaurant owner greedy ?
    average meal is about 15.00......lots of profit in food industry
     
  4. gpenguins67

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    maybe your friends should go work in the service industry for one day and collect only the wages and no tips. They can see how they are gonna survive on $28 for an 8 hr day. Then they might see the importance of tipping.
    I also have stopped going out with a couple friends...... they think a 15% tip in a restaurant is going above and beyond. Or they always try to find things to complain about or send food back just so they don't have to tip or reduce the tip.

    This reminds me of the last bachelor party trip I went to in Vegas. It ended up being 2 groups. The bachelors high school friends who all came from "well off" families how refused to tip or nickel and dimed everything. And the group I was part of who met him after high school... mostly blue collar type guys. It was a pain in the ass when we did anything as an entire group. We always got shafted with the bill no matter where we went. We took a limo one day and these guys threw a bunch of 1's and 5's at us. We were $15 short of the bill for the limo... let alone actually giving a tip for the guy. We were planning on doing a cabana at one of the day clubs.... but yeah when we saw the trend that was happening with having to pickup tabs we opted against it.
     
  5. Auggie

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    Some people tip, some over tip and some don't tip at all... in the end it's their money and their choice how to spend it and its not really your place to dictate how they spend it.

    And to be honest, lording your friendship over them and/or making it contingent on them tipping (or tipping more) is kind of a dick move... it almost sounds like some "move" you are going to pull every time somebody has some difference of opinion to yours.
     
  6. lucky13

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    28.00 per an 8 hr day ???
    no matter what profession .... that is not enough ., employer should pay more ...NOT THE PUBLIC
    I bussed tables when I was young ....didn't make shit ....no tips either .....been there done that
    tipping is important ...you are right but it is not up to the tipper to see that someone can pay their light bill , that is up to the employer (to pay a decent wage )
     
  7. face12313

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    Giving tip is a good tradition.It's show the respect to the service people and reduce the gap between rich and poor a little.

    Who may protect your money?not only yourself,but also the Harmony Society.
     
  8. IWannaBeInVegas

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    Wanna hear about bad tips. I work in a casino guy hits a 75k royal on Mississippi stud, his tip, 75 bucks. Guy hits 4, yes 4 royal match pay offs, they pay 50:1, guy wins between 250 and 1275, each, NO Tip, yet the guy who bought in for 100 tips every hand delt a buck.
     
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    I think my jaw honestly hit the desk when I read the part in boldface. Arguments between 10/15/20% are one thing, but for Don to make the comment that he did clearly demonstrates that he is a COMPLETE JAG OFF. Not only is he not going to tip the maid (total "dick move") but he is going to prevent the OP from tipping because he doesn't agree with it? Wow.

    And Auggie, you think that the OP is the one "dictating" how others spend their money? LOL. All he did was say he doesn't want to travel with them anymore. For the OP to do something tantamount to what Don did in the maid scenario, he would have to say, "Don, either you leave a tip for that server or I'm going to physically take your wallet from you and give her your money!"
     
  10. Guy

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    I've found there is much better quality of service in the USA from bar tenders and waiters than back at home.

    I can only put this down to the Tipping culture.
     
  11. gpenguins67

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    here's another question.
    Why do people tip the person working at dunkin donuts or starbucks but not the clerk at McDonalds? They make relatively the same base rate.

    or why do some restaurants have a tip jar at the takeout counter. Why should I tip you b/c u rang me out handed me my food?

    So in a sense I agree with Auggie that its their money they can chose how much to tip and what services warrant a tip. So its none of your business what they tip and in turn its none of their business how much you give for a tip.
    I think it is a little different in the restaurant industry that a tip is expected for the waitstaff. They do put a mandatory tip on larger parties, but who is to say that the service rendered was worth the 20% mandatory tip?

    I usually tip well when I believe service was good... I have some friends that tip better and some that don't tip as much. To each his own.
    What bothers me is one of my friends who notoriously finds faults in everything just to have an excuse not to tip. Or the one guy I used to work with that conveniently never had cash when we went out after work.... he would collect all the cash and put the bill on his card. I knew for a fact that he was putting a good portion of the collected tip money towards what he owed and giving a smaller tip. So yes I chose not to go out with people like that... that money was for the waitress not for your burger and beer.
     
  12. Gino

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    Wow. There is so much here I just don't know where to start. I see it from both sides because I've owned bars and restaurants, and I've worked in them, and when I opened my first restaurant, I relied on tips because I wasn't paying myself...Or my wife for that matter. First and foremost, Vegas is a tipping town, end of story. There is simply too many service jobs that require gratuity that if you aren't a tipper, stay the fuck at home and go to the movies. I have found that people that aren't tippers are generally assholes. Seriously. Not once did I ever have a pleasant conversation or interaction with a customer(s) that wasn't a surly prick, a nit picking bitch, or a generally unhappy person before discovering they didn't tip, or left a tip that I - or my employees - could use to make a local phone call if I could find a time machine and use a payphone...

    As far as restaurants and employers paying more, easier said than done, and people that say this have: A) Never signed the front of a paycheck B) Never worked in the service industry particularly restaurants and bars C) Really don't understand the business world at all. I did pay an hourly wage to my employees, it wasn't great, but 99% of my employees were college kids living w/ mom and dad. They also kept 100% of their tips - no pooling.

    I would not travel with this type of a person ESPECIALLY to a place like Las Vegas. Would I end a friendship over it. Probably not. I'd just be very selective about where and when we socialized. Casinos, restaurants/bars, would probably be out. Parks, the movies, the gym, each others homes, festivals etc.
     
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  13. jackincols

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    In the 25+ yrs. my long time buddy have gone to Vegas together, we've become attuned to each other like brothers, including tipping appropriately. And yes, that includes buffets. Upon leaving the buffet, I can't tell you how many times I/we've been chased down by a buffet server, sincerely thanking us for our tip. Reading between the lines, what they really meant to say was, "Thank you so much. You have no idea how many people stiff us because we work in a buffet."

    Now as far as poor tippers, I can think of 3 people that came out with us over the years that fit this category. I can only give one of them a hall pass as it was their first time in Vegas, but the other 2 supposedly were "world travelers". As someone mentioned, it really is an embarassment and they were'nt invited again. Also sad to note, in all 3 cases these people could buy and sell us 5 times over and never miss a beat.
     
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    Why do I feel like I'm sitting at the table with Mr. Pink in Resivoir Dogs???
     
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    There's a difference between being cheap and being miserly aka miserable. It sounds like these guys are just generally miserable. Who wants to hang around with a miserable sourpuss? I thought the whole idea of friendship was to enjoy somebody's company, somebody who enjoys your company? I'm friends with people who live lifestyles I don't agree with and I feel are harmful to them. I'm friends with people who have different opinions than mine. Hell, I'm married to a man who has some nutty ideas in his head. (And I'm grateful for the people who put up with my nutty ideas.) Sometimes it's hard for me to bite my tongue because I have a really big mouth. But, we keep up the friendships because we fundamentally like each other and laugh together. And some people don't age well mentally/emotionally, which isn't pretty. I think if you're fundamentally not enjoying time with these guys, don't hang out with them. And sure as hell don't go to Vegas with them. Not everybody has what it takes to be a good Vegas Buddy.
     
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    Just curious why you think you're entitled to part of someone else's jackpot b/c you work in a casino.
     
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    I think if you have ever worked in the service industry at any level which benefits from customer tipping, you are much more inclined to tip appropriately or possibly above the expected level. To each his own but it does disturb me as well to be with others who do not feel tipping (in the appropriate situation, i.e., meals, drinks, etc.) is necessary at any level. Thus, to each his own as to company when venturing out for a meal or drink.
     
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    Agree with you on that, I found it strange at first as it's something we don't do in the UK with the exception of going to a restaurant . But I have no problem in tipping CW, bartenders, waiters and housekeeping and they are always very appreciative of it.
     
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    i have some buddies who are cheap cheap cheap but none of them are that bad! we all tip and if one of my buddies was too cheap to leave a couple of dollars for a buffet server or a cocktail waitress he would get a stern lecture from the rest of us. :nono:
     
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    YESSSSSSS!!! I agree 100% with EVERY word!!!! :nworthy:
     
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