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Table Games New to Blackjack (advice please)

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Rubos, May 12, 2015.

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  1. Rubos

    Rubos Low-Roller

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    I am historically a poker, video poker and craps player but I have been trying to teach myself Blackjack ahead of my annual pilgrimage later in the year.

    Last stats show me at 92% success across 5,000 hands in relation to perfect strategy. Not using any written prompts etc.

    Is this good enough or should I push for 95%+ before I devote more time to high/low count?

    Any advice would be appreciated - not convinced yet about blackjack but may allocate part of my bankroll if I am along the right lines (note: still 4 months to go before my trip)

    Cheers

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  2. merlin

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    Keep practicing, 92% means you're misplaying every 12th hand. Dont bother trying to count if you haven't learned basic strategy first.
     
  3. DavidR82

    DavidR82 Low-Roller

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    Also make sure to play a 3/2 DAS RSA S17 table even better if surrender is allowed. Stay away from the carny 6/5 tables or the double decks that you can only double on 10/11....
     
  4. sigsev

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    Your BS knowledge should be at 100% for every game you intend to play. Knowing variations between 2D and 6D strategy and S17 and H17 is important. You don't always get to choose the best games especially if you want to start out playing at low stakes.

    4 months is fine to learn BS and H/L, but implementing it is another matter. Do you have a local place to practice live play? That would help immensely.
     
  5. MikeOPensacola

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    +1. Bone up on your basic strategy until you know it cold. You can also print out a BS card from the Wizzrd website and use it to consult at the table. These come in handy for beginners, especially on soft betting and splitting scenarios. Good luck and have fun!!
     
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    I agree. I don't think BS is that hard to master and play at 100%.
     
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    I'm curious as to what kind of mistakes you are making? Is it doubling down, splitting, or are you hitting or standing at the wrong times?
     
  8. topcard

    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    I've been playing blackjack in Vegas for 30 years...and I still keep a custom strategy card with me.
    You can make one yourself like I did... it covers the hands that tend to confuse me if I've had a bit too much to drink... playing A-7, proper doubles when there's no DAS...that sort of thing.
    92% accuracy really isn't good enough to worry about counting yet... but there's nothing wrong with practicing a count while you continue to hone your basic strategy skills.

    Decades ago, there was a PC program called "Doctor Blackjack".
    One of the features it had was it would keep a plus/minus count for you - it would only display the count when you asked...as a means to test yourself. See if yu can find something similar. It was a great way for me to practice keeping a count. (It also warned you anytime you were making a play contrary to BS.)
    But wherever you are in learning, you should still play on your next trip...as Mike mentioned - just keep your strategy card handy... casinos don't mind you looking at it... some will let you keep it on the table..some will not...so, ask before you just tuck under the felt-rail next to your chips.
    Sometimes, I'll put it in an empty drink holder along with cigarettes & lighter... pits seem to be ok with that, even if they don't allow it on the table.
     
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    Rubos Low-Roller

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    Thanks all for the feedback - really appreciated.

    It is soft ace-x hands and some doubles I seem to be getting wrong.

    I have been trying to learn without using a strategy card but given comments above I may well just use on of these at the table to ensure 100% success vs optimal strategy.

    I have comped nights at Ceasers and Aria so assume I will have to be $50 minimum on the strip to get decent rules - I may hop downtown to play initially to take advantage of better table rules

    Thanks again all - Rubos
     
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    Downtown won't necessarily give you a better game, but it will give you playable games for low stakes. If you want to play downtown you'd better be familiar with your H17 strategies. Some houses also don't allow DAS or DAT, only doubling 9-11.

    You're correct that Aria's best games are $50 at least, and $100 in the evenings. I'd recommend the 6D S17 w/surrender shoes at Bellagio which can be $25 in the mornings. Just be familiar and remember to use surrender. Mirage also has a good 6D and 2D game often for $25. Tropicana deals a 2D H17 game for $25 and its usually at that limit all hours of the day. Good games can be had on the strip you just have to seek them out.
     
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    The doubling shouldn't be that hard, basically you double a 11 against a 10 or less, a 10 against a 9 or less, and a 9 against a 3-6(sometimes a 2), dont be afraid to hit that a7 against an face or ace either(9 too).
     
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    Best (two-deck) games downtown:
    1. El Cortez. $5 minimum, 3:2 H17 DAS DAT... about 67% penetration. Dealt face-up from a shoe. Multiple tables.
    2. LVC. $10 minimum, 3:2 H17 DAS DAT... about 67% penetration. Dealt face-up from a shoe. 1 table.
    3. Golden Gate. $15 minimum, 3:2 H17 DAS DAT... about 67% penetration. Dealt face-up from a shoe. 1 table.
    4. Plaza. $25 minimum, 3:2 H17 DAS DAT... about 67% penetration. Dealt face-up from a shoe. 1 table. (Plaza has lowered this to $15 for me in the past).
    5. All of the Boyd Casinos (Fremont, Cal & MSS). $5 minimum, 3:2 H17 DAT, no DAS. Pitch game with about 50% penetration. Multiple tables.
    6. 4-Queens has one $10 table with same rules as Boyd. Nugget has some $25 tables with the sames rules as Boyd.
    There is no other playable two deck blackjack available downtown that is $25 or less.

    As for the strip? Personally, I would take the 5 minute free shuttle ride over to Gold Coast & play there. They have $5 & $10 two-deck pitch, H17, DAS, DAT... about 50% penetration....perhaps a bit more. Multiple tables.

    If that's out, I hear that Mirage still offers their S17 two-deck game, with DAS & DAT for $25.
    They used to have a very good 6-deck shoe (right next to the poker room) - 3:2, S17, DAS, DAT & LS at $15 minimums. I don't know if that game is still there. That was a great 'basic strategy' table.
     
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