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Natedog Short TR Resorts World Manila mostly gambling

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Trip Reports' started by natedog666, Oct 7, 2012.

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  1. natedog666

    natedog666 17 and 20 Expert

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    My Trip Report

    A short trip report, focused mainly on baccarat.

    It has been a while since my last vegas trip, so I couldn't help myself and decided to hop over to Manila this weekend. Why not Macau? Because they offered a private jet and comped everything ahead of time, so I can forgo the traveling hassles which was a big incentive.

    Manila is only about 1:45 hours from Taipei, so it was a relatively short flight. The jet was nice, about the same treatment as in the US, but just with Chinese food.

    Manila weather was a little muggy, but I barely saw anything since the RW Manila was just right next to the airport. It took literally 3 minutes to get from the jet to the hotel entrance...very nice since this being my first time to the Philippines, I was worried about the heavy traffic and crime issues there.

    The RW Manila is made up of 3 hotels and 1 casino, our group stayed at the Maxim side. The villa was nice, but not comparable to vegas villas. It was a two bedroom, with a nice private pool on the 5th floor. Right outside the door there was a huge VIP pool, with transparent sides, would have been great if there were vegas style girls in the pool, but just some chubby guys...lol.

    The food at the hotel was great, since it was a short weekend trip I only tried the steak house on the Marriott side and the Japanese food at Maxim. Both decent, but nothing to write home about.

    Ok...on to the good stuff....

    As most gamblers know, Asia is basically fixated on the game of baccarat; so there's really no other decent games that are really popular. They arranged to give me two private tables of baccarat, and one full craps table in a private room, which is very nice since Asian gamblers can be very noisy and nosy.

    The craps game was a disaster, so I won't go into much about it. But basically they made the craps table so bouncy that every 2nd roll goes off the table. The payouts were all the same, except you can only take double odds on the pass line and have to pay the buy vig ahead of time on the 4 and 10. Needless to say, I tried a few rotations but didn't play much. Limits were up to 50,000 HKD (they used HKD here), so about 7k USD.

    The baccarat game was 20,000 HKD minimum and 800,000 HKD maximum for me this trip. Since we had a bunch of friends with different limits, they allowed somebody to bet as long as each hand had more than 20,000 HKD total on the table wagering. The rolling incentive for me was 1.2% cash and 0.1% for RFB. For those that don't know, this means that for every wager that wins, you get a 1.2% cash back. This is the predominant comp system in Asia. So if you rolled 10m HKD, you would get back 120,000 HKD in cash at the end of the trip. The key to this comp system is that you have to be winning. If you theoretically lose every hand, you would get 0 comps!

    The first session I did was pretty choppy. The shoes also progressed very slowly because there's the baccarat insurance bet that's all the rage in Asia. Basically, you get to buy insurance once most of the cards are exposed. Google the rules online under "baccarat insurance".

    For most gamblers, and especially my friends on this trip, this new bet was the best invention ever! They were taking insurance all the time. I was trying to explain to them how bad the odds were, but my words fell on deaf ears. I can sort of understand the mentality though, if you have a big bet out there. For instance, if you have 800,000 HKD out there (about 110k USD), and you pull have a Banker 7 over a Player 1, insurance pays 4 to 1 so it will cost you 200,000 to make sure the Player doesn't pull a 7 or an 8 to beat you...but you would still win 600,000 if the Player doesn't pull the miracle...odds are pretty bad though...since there's only 2 cards out of 13 that beat you, 1 ties, and 10 out of 13 where you win anyways, so true insurance should be closer to 6 to 1 instead of 4 to 1....the house hold is incredible!

    But to the gambler, a sure thing is much better.

    So the first session went choppy....nothing memorable.

    Second session however was one of those great memories. There was a run of 18 PBB....getting to max after the 10th one. I think I'm going to do more of these weekend trips....:) You know the feeling that you are unstoppable, that was the feeling, the dealer would have a 6, I would have a 7. The dealer would have a natural 8, I would have a 9. The dealer would have a 6 over my 1, and I would pull a three sider....insane.

    The trip back was nice, after 2 days of gambling everybody was wasted. But we had Shakey's pizza on the plane and a bunch of Chinese food...satisfying winning trip!

    Hope everybody wins this month!
     
  2. BlueSkadoo

    BlueSkadoo VMB Sweetheart

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    NATEDOGG!!! So excited to see a trip report from you! Hope you can come back to Vegas soon.
     
  3. bighead1970

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    Natedog an awesome TR! Keep up the bac streak.
     
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    Natedog, great to see a TR from you again, even if its a brief one!

    Only two times odds at craps??? Well, I guess I just lost any interest I ever had at playing craps in Asia. Awesome run at the bac table. Hope you make it back to Vegas soon :thumbsup:
     
  5. Brensan

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    Great to hear from you again! Glad you had a great trip - sometimes the short ones are the best.:wave:
     
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    Manila's comp system certainly motivates the gambler to win and win big! :thumbsup:


    WOW! Would you mind letting us know how much (millions $$$$$$$$) you won during this marvelous hot streak?
     
  7. xmarksx

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    Nate,
    Duing our last trip to HK and Beijing I was tempted to take a side trip to Macau but worried that I might be a bit confused a the tables since I don't speak Chinese. Do you see many English-only speakers?
     
  8. SikDmax

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    Glad to get in on this one in real time! Glad to hear it was an enjoyable trip Natedogg!
     
  9. JillyFromPhilly

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    First off, great to see you back - and congratulations on that great run!

    Second - about that crazy comping system - was I reading that right that you only get comped if you win, but if you lose you have to pick up the tab yourself - or did you only mean in terms of cashback/rebates, and you get the .1% RFB picked up win or lose? If it's not the latter, then it's suddenly no surprise why so many Asian gamblers take the long flight over to Vegas! Also, no loss discounts like in the US?

    Also - as you said, Asia is focused on baccarat - but if for some reason I wound up in Macau, Singapore, Philippines, etc. - do they even have BJ & roulette? [not likely that I'd ever wind up there, so more of just a curiosity question]
     
  10. natedog666

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    Basically the entire Philippines spoke English, so I only spoke English. In Macau they also speak English quite well, so I wouldn't worry about it.
     
  11. natedog666

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    Actually Jilly, Asian gamblers prefer this system because you get *cash* back. You are correct in that if you technically lost every hand, they pick up nothing...but that hardly happens. Some people don't use many amenities at all, not even the room much. The churn is also incredible...for instance my friend was betting an average of 30,000 HKD a hand, and he rolled about 10m HKD. He actually made more off the rolling than what he won because he had some big swings.

    They have BJ and Roulette, just not in the same quantity as in the states.
     
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    Oh, OK - I missed the "theoretically losing every hand part" and was thinking about it in terms of net win/loss per trip, not on every winning hand regardless of net - so in other words, it's akin to giving you 1.3% in theo [1.2% cash, .1% RFB], but only on winning hands - instead of the way here in the states we are given theo on every hand, win or lose - but not in cash back.

    Still seems kind of oddly inverted to me that it's weighted towards the winning hands and not the losing hands - I would think if I was playing and given that option as opposed to the way we get comped here in the states, I'd want 1.2% cash back on every hand I lose, since the games are weighted in favor of the house, plus I'm already "keeping" 100% of every hand I win - or, like how it is here in the states, where if you have high enough losses they will give you a loss discount [like 5% on losses over $50K, etc.] - I guess maybe Asians are more optimistic about their luck than I am? LOL - although I guess under this system, you still get at least some cash back in practically any scenario, net win or loss, so I guess that can only be looked at as a positive.

    I'm still not sure I fully understand why they do it only on the winning hands and not the losing ones - even from the casinos perspective, it seems - especially in light of the fact that some people might not run up a huge tab - that they're taking an even bigger hit then from a winner than if they gave out the comps on the losing hands instead of the winning ones - or maybe it's the fact that because of the HA, they expect most players to ultimately have more losing hands than winning ones, so they're looking at it as giving out less comps because they're only giving them out on the winning ones?

    Obviously, it's taking me a little bit to wrap my head around this whole concept LMAO
     
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    I think there are some logistical reasons as well, since the way they do it is to give you a different kind of chip every time you win. Once you amass enough you get a runner to convert your chips and they write down how much you converted to keep track of how much you rolled. Since you would only get chips if you win, that's a neat way of keeping track. If they kept track of both winning and losing, they would have to write down every bet (some big players they actually do that but for other reasons). If they only kept track of the win/loss at the end of each session, they still can't know how much total action you gave them, you might have evened out. The US use the average bet system, but we all know that most pit bosses are too lazy to write down every bet, add them up, and divide. They go by their "impression", which is too inexact for Asia, since the house hold is lessened tremendously by the rolling rebate (I heard for some junkets they go up to almost 2%).
     
  14. Someone

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    I was going to ask this same question thanks for the answer and the trip report you are always very generous with your gambling goings on

    I kind of laughed at Shakey's Pizza it was a very popular place when I was a kid growing up in Houston and they used to give out these great little plastic tops.....but that chain of restaurants moved out of Texas decades ago...what are the preferred toppings in the Philippines?

    I know dumb question, but I was curious and my other question was already answered.....thanks again for your trip reports and I am glad you had a winning time this trip and a good time overall :thumbsup:
     
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    Thanks for taking us along NateDogg!!! So glad you were back in action and thanks for the continued effort in writing up the reports! Also glad you won on a nice streak!!
     
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    Great to see a Natedog TR! Congrats!:thumbsup:
     
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    Thanks for the trip report, natedog! Always nice to bank a big-winning trip!
     
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    It is always great to see a report from you, Natedog!

    Too bad the craps tables were bouncy...hope your next trip is better!

    Thanks for all the details on bacc though; I dont know if I will ever try this game but if I do I can rely on your awesome detailed reports for info!
     
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    Thanks for Trip Report:beer:

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    I remember reading about this...you buy the "dead money" chips and win back real money chips, and the rating is perfect. Nice win Nate, glad to hear it... hit em hard. Maybe you can get the Tropicana in AC to give you a deal like they gave Don Johnson in blackjack. (20% rebate after 1 mil loss) In the long run, you couldn't lose...

    Nice win.....................really glad to see it!! I just went to Laughlin and Vegas and got my teeth kicked in... I'll post a report later
     
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