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Slots Multidenomination Slots

Discussion in 'Slots' started by evanston45, Dec 17, 2012.

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  1. evanston45

    evanston45 Tourist

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    For some reason, I don't feel that the win odds are same if you play $1 on a multidenomination machine compared to changing it to a $10 bet. I could be winning small amounts fairly frequently with 1 dollar, but can go 30 spins at 10 dollars without anything...then go back to 1 dollar and I start winning small amounts again. Anyone else not "trust" these machines?
     
  2. mdee

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    Do the Math!

    My only comment is be careful when changing from one denom to another. I was playing an Alien Vs Predator Nickel slot at Bellagio and won over $900 on a bonus round.
    So, feeling lucky I decided to up the denom and proceeded to hit the max bet button 3 times in a row before I realized I had just blown $300! It was $100 Max Bet. Ouch!
     
  3. Ike

    Ike Low-Roller

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    Many casinos do have different payout levels set for each denomination on multi-denomination slots. A general rule is the higher $$$ level you go, the better payback you will get. I'm not saying that is the case for every slot machine, but it is for most.
     
  4. buffalo

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    Depends on which conspiracy theory you want to buy into. Some think low bet slots are set to a higher hit frequency because the minimum bet players are the bread and butter of the casinos. You can't piss off that group.

    I know what you're talking about and it is frustrating to up your bet on a hot machine and more often than not it goes ice cold.
     
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    I do buy in to that conspiracy theory :) It's just happened to us too many times at our local casinos. Me and my BF are both on a machine playing 60-80 nickels - losing our ass. But we always get the joy of someone sitting next to us on the same machine, but only playing 20/40 pennies. Their machine always pays better than ours. For every 1 bonus round we get, they get 5. We are lucky to get 500 coins on the bonus round, they are getting 3,000. This experience hasn't happened to us just once or twice. This is from years of playing - ever since the multi-denomination machines came out.
     
  6. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Be careful about this assumption. Some people play machines way faster than others, and therefore get more bonus rounds. You can easily play some of these new machines 3-5 times faster than the person next to you.

    I often do that and the people next to me ask why I get so many bonus rounds. I am pretty sure I get the same, per number of spins.
     
  7. ernestoc33

    ernestoc33 Low-Roller

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    Its called a teaser win! The Casinos use all sorts of teases to entice players into dumping more coin into the slots. For the most part this is true, however statistics are slightly different for varying denominations. The payouts are set my the NGCB, so every casino has to use those standards or higher.

    They are as follows:
    Strip: 1c 88.40%, 5c 91.57%, 25c 91.78%, 1$88.18%, 5$ 94.83%

    Downtown: 1c 89.02%, 5c 91.19%, 25c 94.83%, 1$ 90.13%, 5$ 94.21%

    Based on the statistics, you are 1-5 percent more likely to win by playing more than a dollar(sometimes). These statistics are based off of 100, thus if you are putting a lot more money through the machine you are more likely to reach the percentage. All in all, the difference is minuscule; in some cases you fair better by playing quarters and not dollars. Playing multiple lines will not increase your odds of winning, it will just bleed your bankroll dry. Also be weary of progressive machines, sometimes increasing the coin-in will not increase the jackpot amount enough to be worth while. Don't forget these are computer powered machines that use random number generators to set when payouts happen; so you can't really beat it.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  8. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Either I am out of it, or....

    1 - NGCB setting standards? Never heard they set them. Might be a floor, but casinos can set their own.

    2 - Putting more money gets you closer to the percentage. Sort of. If the machine has a significant high end jackpot (say $40k), the difference of playing $100 or $1000 is very insignificant. Those percentages are over a VERY LONG period of play.

    3 - Progressives and increasing the jackpot. I do not understand this logic at all. When you play, you hope that the next spin is going to get you a high payout, or even the jackpot. How much it increases is of little concern. (it would matter if you were planning to pump a million or so into it - but you still are only concerned with the next few spins)
     
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    Do you play Max Bet? I pretty much always play Max Bet and being next to someone playing the minimum
    their machine will make lots of noise because they will have more frequent yet very small wins like say $2.00.
    My wins would be less frequent but could be up in the $100's.

    The difference is I'm playing $2.50 - $5.00 a pull while they are playing usually on average .40 to .80 Cents.
    The constant small wins give them a false sense of winning. They actually end up spending more and winning less.
     
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  10. WrongWayWade

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    This is just anecdotal and actually false. On most penny slots where the number of credits per line is a straight multiplier, (i.e. you aren't 'buying' any new payout methods or bonuses, just multiplying all the winning amounts), the RNG has no idea how many credits you bet as it selects what will show. It would actually be illegal to do so. On these straight multipliers, you'll get exactly the same amount of 'action' and hits if you bet 1 credit per line as if you bet 10 credits per line (assuming both sessions were playing the same number of lines).

    On penny machines you should probably play all the lines available, but then only bet the number of credits per line that you can afford. You'll get the same experience, getting the same hit rate and getting the same number of bonus rounds, but it will just be for less money (risked and won).
     
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    Do the paytables change on VP machines when playing mult denominations games? I never thought to look at the pay tables when changing a VP bet up.
     
  12. ernestoc33

    ernestoc33 Low-Roller

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    On progressive machines they do change, sometimes by a lot. I've found some of the best progressive pay tables over at sams town.
     
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    The Nevada Gaming Control Board(NGCB) sets the standards. The casino has to meet or exceed that standard or face harsh penalties. Yes, the casino chooses what their payout % is as long as it meets the standard set by NGCB.

    When I say progressive I mean such as getting Bar-Bar-Bar or 7-7-7. For example on some progressive machines, 1 coin would pay out 2500 coins, 2 coins 5000 coins payout and 3 coins 10,000 coins ect. The problem is that some progressives don't scale that way and instead would look something like 2000, 4000, 8000. When the progressive payout looks like that, its not worth your while in the long term IMO.
     
  14. nostresshere

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    If I understand correctly, the minimum required by the state is 75%. Most casinos are paying in the mid 80's up into the low 90's. So, for all practical purposes, they set their own payback. Meaning, in reality, that the payouts are not set by the state.

    As to progressive. Pretty sure most people only refer to progressive machines as those with a jackpot that builds as it gets more play. Generally, the term refers to large jackpots, but could apply to lower amounts. It does not apply to machines with fixed payouts.

    As to those machines that do not scale up the 2nd or 3rd coin not being worth it, well... Each to their own, but that top amount hits once every xxxxx plays. So being worth or not worth it is somewhat irrelevant. Almost nobody hits that anyways.

    In fact, a machine that does NOT increase the 3rd coin is going to hit more often than one that does. Simple math. Assuming they are set at the same payout. After all, a machine with a top jackpot of $4,000 for example will hit the top payout more often than a machine with a $6,000 top payout. Again, simple math. Hence, it would make more sense to play the lower one.
     
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