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Video Poker Multi denomination machine

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by Grandad, Sep 16, 2016.

  1. Grandad

    Grandad Tourist

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    A Question for you tech's out there. I am playing a machine that has $1, $2, $5 options. If I am playing the $1 and think that its due to pay , If I switch to $2 or $5 then am I still playing the same game or does the machine slip into a different sequence for a $2 / $5 game. I did see someone once start on $1 and then if no win he moved to $2 and if no win then moved to $5 But was he still playing the same game ?
     
  2. Royal Flusher

    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    It's random, not sequence. Since you played differently by taking time to switch, you won't get the same results you would have gotten if you hadn't though. Don't sweat it though, the machine is shuffling cards hundreds if not thousands of times a second.

    Some of the hardware on those games is pretty old. On new hardware it could be millions of times a second. But they probably wouldn't bother with a super-fast processor.
     
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  3. ardee

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    If you think it's "due to pay" just get up, walk out of the casino and start setting $20 bills on fire. It will be quicker and accomplish the same thing.
     
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  4. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    There is no such thing as "due to pay". Every single shuffle of the cards is 100% independent of the previous play. Believe it or not, it is even possible to get two royals in a row. Possible, not probable. (linguistics)


    With that said, if you "feel" you luck is about to change, then by all means go for it. As a slot slut, I often increase the bet after many losses. Stupid? Yep.
     
  5. Frankr163

    Frankr163 Low-Roller

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    It can happen. My wife had 2 royals in 3 hands at our local "racino". That gives her a total of maybe 12 in 20 years.
    I am still looking for my first!
    Just proves the randomness of it all. Don't ever think a machine is "due". The RNG and the software preclude that from happening.
     
  6. Frankr163

    Frankr163 Low-Roller

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    As to the question by the OP.
    On VP the game should be the same no matter the denomination. The RNG controls that.
    The pay tables may be different however, such as maybe finding 9/6 JOB @ $5 but not at the $1 level.
    For slot machines, I believe they can program the payouts specific to the bet level. Obviously (hopefully?) you would find a better return % @$5 opposed to the penny level.
     
  7. LV_Bound

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    For VP (which is the label associated with this thread) I don't believe matters are you are simply changing the $ amount.

    For Slots, you could actually change the game because with some games, the bonus or Progressive may not be available with lower amounts.
     
  8. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Changing the game is .....well... sort of true. If the bonus requires full play, then it becomes a different game. It does not change the odds. Well, I guess it does. If you do not play full play, you have ZERO chance of the bonus on some machines.

    In that case, it is EXACTLY like VP machines that only pay the top end for a Royal if you play 5 coins, or some certain number. Does not change the chances of getting a Royal, but does change the payout.
     
  9. Rush

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    If you are due to win, you are due to win. My trip 2 months ago, I got two royals in 24 hours, and about 30 4ok in the 20+ hours I played.

    The trip I just completed, had me go the same 20+ hours, and get only 4 4ok. I got murdered.
     
  10. Grandad

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    Thanks for your many varied answers.. I ofton THINK < its due to pay > Thats why we gamble isn't it ?
     
  11. dmr

    dmr Registered Abuser

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    LOL, I remember years ago (decades, actually), the shills at the old Sassy Sally's were always coaxing a rube into playing a certain machine by saying it's "Due" or "Overdue" to hit.
     
  12. TXactuarial

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    The only time 'due to pay' mildly makes sense is in either progressive VP or racino "video poker" (video lottery) machines. These are the only cases I can think of where your prior outcome affects your play on the next hand. Even so, the progressive isn't any more "due" than it was on the prior hand, it's just a more lucrative game over all. Racino VP, as I understand it, is drawn from a large pool of possible weighted outcomes just like a scratcher lottery ticket. Losing can actually increase your chances of winning next game, just like if you scratched all of the losing lottery tickets you would be guaranteed to win on your next one.

    There are however 'must hit by' slot machines (non-VP) that abide by the "due" thought process. Some jackpots must hit by a certain amount, and the closer the jackpot gets to that amount, the higher your odds of hitting the jackpot.
     
  13. tringlomane

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    Depends on jurisdiction. Indiana and Arkansas racinos offer standard "Vegas Style" VP. And when it comes to virtual pull tabs (screw you New York racinos and Washington state tribal casinos), the pool is so huge that one losing hand will barely change the next hand's probabilities. It's really a glorified slot machine under the virtual pull tab system.