Has this been discussed before... Lots of us profess our love for VP, many of us for bartop VP, many of don't like the poor paytables we face playing there, yet many of us, play there anyway. Hope the following makes sense: 1. pretend I play sober at the bar, and get loaded on the casino floor 2. bartop 7/5 DDB (ugh!) 3. on the casino floor 8/5 (maybe 9/5) 4. Assuming I can play perfect sober but make mistakes when I am drinking... How many mistakes do I need to make playing 9/5 to match that of the poorer paytables... 8/5, and 8/5 to 7/5 and compare 9/5 all the way to 7/5??? (remember in this experiment I am playing sober with the "bad" tables and drinking on the good ones) now of course, I will be likely be playing equally as loaded at the bar or the floor depending on "tickets/lights" or CW service so this point is only theoretical for the math geek inside of me.