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Maximizing play/comps question

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Suekel, Jul 11, 2012.

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  1. Suekel

    Suekel VIP Whale

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    We've been going to Vegas 1-2 times per year for the last 10 years or so. We've always used players cards, mainly for VP and slots, as when we play table games it's rarely at a level high enough to be rated.

    We have never tried to adjust our play to get comps, we just play when and where we feel like, and whatever comps come, we are glad for. As our bankroll has increased over the years, we've gotten to where we usually stay free at CET properties, and get free or discounted rooms along with some charges removed at Mlife properties. Don't see much in the way of free play, but that's ok.

    Ok, now to the question. On this trip, our flight is arriving at 8:30 on Friday night. By the time we get our bags, taxi to hotel, check in, etc, it will likely be at least 10 before we hit the casino floor.

    Would it benefit us to not use our players cards until after midnight? I assume the ADT is a midnight to midnight thing, so would any recorded play in that short time after we arrive drag down our average and cost us in comps/future offers? Same question for the final morning that we leave on a 11AM flight.

    Thanks!
     
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    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    Most casino's days switch around 4 or 6 am for that precise reason. A lot of people play after midnight.
     
  3. Ike

    Ike Low-Roller

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    If you're staying there under a comp, it will likely not matter. Your trip begins the day you check in under that comp. The casino will care about your trip theo more than your ADT.
     
  4. Suekel

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    Thanks for the quick replies. So it seems like we should use our card every single time we play to maximize our theo, and not worry about how our play falls on any particular day?
     
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    Most efficient thread in history. Helps having a knowledgeable person answer the question correctly on the first try.
     
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    Sory Pole...fly-in-the-ointment question.

    In other threads, I've seen that ADT is supposedly based upon trips @ MLife locations, based on daily action at CET properties. Don't know if I read it right, but that's what I recall.

    If OP is comp'd at a CET property...would it then be useful not to use the card until 6 AM the following morning? Or because it's a comp'd stay vs. walk-in action, my reading of previous posts is incorrect.
     
  7. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Yes, I agree. Almost.

    Did not say which hotel they were staying at. Here is what I understand and feel somewhat comfortable in believing.

    CET is big on ADT. Each day or event is tracked for the big ADT in the sky. The host will also evaluate your play for the total stay (multiple nights) as to trip end comps. But, future offers are still on ADT.

    MGM evaluates you entire stay, or a certain number of days for their theo. So, play one day or 4 days in a row, they look the same. Some have said their night starts at midnight. But, if they use the multiple day thing, then it does not matter.

    As to time of day. CET uses that 5-6am thing. Checking in will PROBABLY cause a trigger of the system, but I am not totally convinced of that.

    NOTE: If you are staying at just one place (CET or MGM) and are putting most of your play at one place, it might be wise to NOT use your card if you stop into the other.
     
  8. Suekel

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    Just to keep things confusing, we are staying 3 nights at Bally's followed by 1 at Mirage, all comp. The night in question, our first night, will be at Bally's and we will very likely only gamble at CET properties that night.

    ETA: Nostresshere: in keeping with our previous philosophy, we will be visiting and gambling at both CET and MGM properties (any maybe even a little at V/P and W/E). I don't really want to start overthinking how we play in order to chase comps, but I was willing to gamble without a card that first couple hour night. However, since CET starts their days at 5-6AM, it seems like it won't make that much difference?
     
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    Just to snip a few things from your posts in this thread:

    Don't overthink it.

    From what I clipped out it sounds like you guys are low or at least low-ish rollers and yet you are getting comp nights, enough that suits your needs plus one of the nights is at Mirage which is one of the higher end MGM properties.

    So my advice would be to just keep doing what you are doing, because it seems to be working for what one can expect.

    If you try to juggle your play to boost your comps there probably isn't much more you will get out of it:

    - Total Rewards doesn't send out much in the way of extras with their offers to lower rollers. Even when I was Platinum with them the most I saw was occasionally $50 in free play or maybe a $50 gift card to Macy's and that was on select dates (meaning not on weekends usually or if weekends were included it was during the slow times of the year).

    - With MLife the next step up from free room is to get some free play added to your offer. To get to that point you would have to increase your level of play with them and concentrate it at one property.

    - To go beyond that with MLife, getting food and beverage credit, you really have to step up your play and even then its likely only going to be a smaller amount like $50-75 worth with a minimum 2-3 night stay. To get up to where some people are getting all food and beverage comped you'd likely have to increase your bankroll 10-15+ times what it is now.

    One thing you can do with MLife is try and target a cheaper property: if your level of play is enough to get a free night out of Mirage if you put all your play in to a property like NYNY, Excalibur or Luxor you might get offers for 2-3 nights comped with free play.
     
  10. Ike

    Ike Low-Roller

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    Actually, you're wrong about CET and their theo evaluation. I don't want to post more than that, but if you're interested PM me and I'll tell you more.
     
  11. Suekel

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    One thing I did not mention that may have been helpful in understanding why I am asking is that usually we do a 3 night stay, arriving on a Sat AM. We'd gamble as described Sat, Sun, Mon, then fly home Tuesday late AM without really gambling that day. Due to trying to get best flight costs we switched to the Fri night flight and a 4 night stay, and I wondered if gambling those couple hours on an extra "day" would lead to worse comps then we usually see.

    But, in light of the responses here, which I very much appreciate, I am going to not worry about it and just do what we do. We are lowish rollers as you thought Auggie (about $500 a day combined loss limit), so we are pretty happy with our free rooms and some meals/ bar tabs knocked off at check out.
     
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    I assume the day for casinos is 5am to 5am. It may be off a little at some properties, but it will always be close.

    My rule is that if I'm going to be gambling for at least 90 minutes that day, I'll use my card. Arriving at 8pm isn't an issue for me since that means I'm at a table from 10 to 2ish most likely.

    The one day I may hold off is the day I leave though. If I'm going to sit on a table for a while, then I'll use it, but if I'm only going for an hour, I won't.



    I have no idea if that makes a big difference or not. When I book 3 nights, I try and do 3 gambling days. If I end up playing on the day I leave + the day I arrive, that ends up being 4 gambling days. No idea if that is what they care about, but I have to assume they don't expect me to gamble much on a day where I checkout at 11am.
     
  13. Bettyboop66

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    I have a question if you don't mind. My husband and I are knew to the world of comps and I was wondering when you mentioned getting some meals/bar tabs taken off at the end of your stay how this happens. Do you ask about it or do they just do it if you qualify? I'm wondering if it would be worht it to charge things to our room instead of oaying on the spot just to see what would happen. Thanks in advance for the help.
     
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    always worth it to charge everything to your room and see at the end. the worst that can happen is they say no and you pay for it anyway. but if you put it all on your CC there's a 0% chance you get anything comped.

    unless you already have a host booking your stay, you will need to go into the host office on the last day of your trip and ask them to look at your play.

    but in most cases CET hosts will just use your reward credits if you have any and that's it. at Mlife you're more likely to actually get stuff taken off.
     
  15. Viva Las Vegas

    Viva Las Vegas Ramblin' Gamblin' Man

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    Doing what you plan on doing = playing on your turf (play as you would and not worry about it).

    Worrying about comps / altering your play = playing on their turf.

    These companies spend millions studying their gamblers and the best methods to coax the most out of each comped / partially comped guest per trip. Many times they know what you'll do before you'll know what you are going to do. They want you to think about points and how to bump up to the next card tier level. They give you cheap rewards for playing their game (a platinum card, a free meal, a faster line). Play your game and take what they give you.
     
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