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Low-playing when NOT staying there?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by da1chifan, Sep 17, 2013.

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  1. da1chifan

    da1chifan High-Roller

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    I apologize if this is a dumb question..... LOL

    I have split my last 2 long stays between the Strip and downtown. I am frankly sick of the Strip at this point. I am staying exclusively downtown in October.

    If I go to the strip 1 day in my next trip and play (lose) just a couple hundred in a day at one of the CET or Mlife casinos (when I am not staying there), will that ding me with future comps? Do they compare ADT when staying there vs ADT when not staying there or does that not matter?

    Certainly, they must have some way to not penalize you for playing there when you are not using a room or food comp?
     
  2. dankyone

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    Do NOT do this at a CET property, any day you use their card at all triggers a day on property and will figure into your ADT in their system.

    Hosts at MGM are able to look through this and see that you were not staying with them on a particular trip, and they will not count the low play against you. I have no idea how the MGM computers look at this, though.

    I might suggest playing this way at properties you have never stayed at--get a new card and play at Wynn, Palazzo, TI, Cosmo, or Trop to see if you can generate some "teaser" offers rather than playing at CET or MGM.
     
  3. TIMSPEED

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    Yup, if you don't intend on serious play, keep your CET card in your purse...
     
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  4. da1chifan

    da1chifan High-Roller

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    Great! Thanks for the info! I was considering CET, so I will definitely not use that one. I will do it at Wynn or Venetian since I have spent time there but haven't played in years in either of them. (Or an Mlife property)

    Very helpful, thanks again! :)
     
  5. da1chifan

    da1chifan High-Roller

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    P.S. I think it is really stupid on the part of CET to penalize you for putting any amount of money at risk when you aren't using one of their rooms. Not to mention the fact that it gives them free information about your travel habits. It should also give them a reason to wonder WHY you aren't staying there.

    I guess I could just play on hubby's card. We only use his if we need to extend RC expiration.

    Thanks again! :beer:
     
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    But on the other side of that coin: if you were playing more than you normally would then you would want to have your play recorded.

    The thing with not using your card is: its never clear until you are done if it would have been worth it to use your card or not.

    Like you might go to Harrah's on The Strip thinking you won't use your card because you have less money than usual and then you go and have a big long session in there because you got on a roll, hit a few nice wins and by the end of the night hindsight is 20/20 and you look at it like you might have gotten a good amount of RCs and a bunch of TCs and maybe bumped up your ADT if you had used your card.

    Otherwise with this not using card strategy one thing to consider is your comps:
    - do you get decent comps already?
    - are they worth "protecting"?
    - do you need to keep RCs "alive" through play?

    ADT isn't super sensitive to where low playing a little is going to suddenly cause the comp world to come crashing down... it is an average and most likely if they are giving you comps now they will continue to do so. And then there are people that freak out about their ADT and try to nickle and dime the system who don't get any comps at all - what are they trying to protect and save there? Not getting comps is pretty easy to do and if you aren't getting any then don't worry about it (not saying thats your situation, your original post indicates you get comps there already, just saying to some they try to protect nothing by being "smart" when they use their card)
     
  7. da1chifan

    da1chifan High-Roller

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    Well, either way I want my play recorded. LOL I want them to know I was in Vegas, but not staying there. But not if it could possibly penalize me.

    So very true.

    I get rooms only these days, as I am playing more and more downtown. Still, it is a free room with no resort fee. (Platinum)

    I like having the rooms there, even if I am not necessarily always taking advantage.

    No, I am not worried about RCs, I am there often enough.

    I could ask for more if I wanted to from CET, but I only really care about the room and resort fee. I always have enough RCs to cover room charges and we rarely eat at CET restaurants, at least not dinners.

    You brought up some great points for me to think consider. If I am doing well overall, maybe I will see what happens and play awhile at PH. I already have a 5 night room comp booked for May, so any negative impact wouldn't affect me until after that trip anyway.

    Thanks again! :)
     
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    Last summer I was staying at a Station Casino, stopped by PH and decided to run a $100 bill thru my favorite 50 cent Poker machine. I figured it would only help since I wasnt staying there, big mistake.


    I went from being COMP at mid tier properites to nothing, zilch, zero!!
     
  9. da1chifan

    da1chifan High-Roller

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    Yikes! :(

    I am sorry that happened to you, but I appreciate the information! That further answers my question. :beer:
     
  10. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    I guess it depends alot on what is important to you.

    1 - staying vs not staying has little bearing. The count your PLAY.

    2 - Are you planning to get more offers/comps in the future? Low play will reduce the changes, high play will help.

    3 - You do NOT have to use a card when you play. Or use a travel partners crd and give them some credit.
     
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    So you're supposed to get a bonus for light play? Only a big better gets away with this. IMO I can't think of any program where you won't risk future offers for light play, whether you are checked in or not. They are all going to weigh your play against your average and play that brings down your average may hurt your comps. If you aren't going to do your average daily play, just don't use your card.
     
  12. da1chifan

    da1chifan High-Roller

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    I never said anything about a bonus. I simply said I wanted to play some without penalty. I now know that is not possible so I am going to play elsewhere on the Strip. :beer:
     
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    as she pointed out if you are not staying on the property what is "light play" and wouldn't the casino wonder why you are not staying on the property or any other CET property in Vegas

    are they really so thick as to assume you have stayed elsewhere, but you are still only coming to CET to do your gambling and only for a brief period of time and thus that low level of play signifies to them you are now cutting your gambling and vacation budget well under what you used to spend when you both stayed and played at their properties

    never mind they can also check and see if you had any meals with them or saw a show at one of their properties.......or of course they could just assume you are staying at the western downtown, eating off the dollar menu at McDonalds and catching a late night half price dollar movie or maybe watching an old 80s movie in your room on cinamax at night for entertainment......all so you can gamble what little you have left at one of their properties and they can be happy they still "have it" to attract your gambling dollars to their property
     
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    Yes, they will wonder where you stayed. But you would have to quickly lose a couple hundred in a $5 slot for they to actually care and make an offer to get you back. For everyone else, the computer is just going to grind the numbers and respond accordingly. First thing to understand about players clubs is that we think much more about them than they do us personally.
     
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    Ha! I'd say the exact opposite. Read a book called "Addiction By Design", its pretty interesting and largely focuses on Total Rewards. They measure player worth by a ton of factors, not just ADT. Including things like literally how fast you push the buttons on a slot. Tons of behavioral factors. They acquired an entire behavioral analytic firm just to have them measure these things in-house. They look at a lot more about us than we would ever expect.
     
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    Right--Total Rewards knows a lot more about us than we do about it. Not getting good offers? They know if you're not willing to risk a lot, or play very long, OR IF YOU SOMETIMES COME IN AND DON'T PLAY AS MUCH AS USUAL and the TR system does not reward those behaviors.
     
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    Low play and offers drop? Why?

    Simple stuff. They measure the worth of every player by how much they are willing to risk. The following is very simplistic, but representative:

    Willing to risk $10 per trip - they you get a $1 in comps.

    Willing to risk $1,000 - they give you a buffet or something... maybe a cheap room

    Willing to risk $10,0000 - they give you room, limo, show tickets.

    etc. etc. - all numbers are WAGs

    Now you ask - how do they figure out who will risk enough to make the comp worthwhile? How would YOU do it? What would you give to someone that is risking less than a $100 in your casino?
     
  18. Tammy58

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    We have to remember it is not just play. I am staying at MGM this trip..but I have over $130 in TR points. I was going to use some of my points for food...but just using my TR card for dining and not gambling there is going to lower my ADT...I think. Just like staying at a TR property and going to an mlife place to use your myVegas rewards. The computer is going to pick up your card # and see no play. Please someone tell me if I am wrong on this. I would rather spend my gambling $$ in the group that I am staying at. I think over the years I have killed my ADT with staying at a CET prop and playing $50 at an mlife property and visa versa. From now on if I am going to play a little I am not using my card.
     
  19. casinoboy

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    i think one or two low trips dont matter from my experience your comps go down after a few low trips. my mom plays on my card sometimes to raise my comps because she gambles higher but doesnt need comps since my dad has enough. after she plays on my card my comps are good for a long time, i go to the local harrahs and horseshoe and gamble smaller then she did but my comps dont change until a few months and after maybe at least 3 or 4 times i go to the casino. maybe its diffrent at local harrahs not in vegas. also its diffrent depending on what game you play, if you play penny slots it counts more then if you play video poker.
     
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