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Lawsuit against The Downtown Grand

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by firstkill, Mar 5, 2014.

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  1. firstkill

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  2. dankyone

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    It sounds like he is alleging he was allowed to play while "visibly intoxicated"--which describes probably 50% of all players on a Fri/Sat night. It is technically against Nevada law. If he wins, the casino will get a slap on the wrist but he'll still have to pay.
     
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    Thank god i cant get markers!:vomit:
     
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    Yeah, if casinos tended to follow the law, I should have been cut off in Vegas numerous times by now. :evillaugh To lose that much, how much do you think he was betting? $5k a hand or more? I don't play BJ enough to know how long a 100+ unit swing takes.
     
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    An interesting question--it is very unusual to have a 100 unit swing flat betting on blackjack, but it does happen occasionally. Times I have seen it might involve 20 hours of play or more. SO, he was either betting higher than $5k/hand, he was a very bad player, or his alleged intoxication impaired his ability to play correctly. Or all of the above.

    It is very strange he would choose to play that high at the downtown grand. It would be interesting to know what his initial line was, if they extended it, etc. Again, it is hard to see why a $500k credit line player would stay there when they keys to the castle would be open at the top places in town. My guess--he came in with a line of 100k or so and they extended it repeatedly. Maybe he can't pay, maybe he is just looking for a way out. He is kind of screwed in either case as these amounts are big enough for the casino to get the DA involved in collection and press criminal charges for writing bad checks etc. It will be very interesting to watch this case develop.
     
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    it would be interesting for them to "extend" a new credit line to someone who is intoxicated.

    limitless line when drunk only. :evillaugh


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    Sir, you have 8.....Hit me
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    If you show them a large bank balance relative to the line you initially request, they will "extend" it for you if you lose the initial line. I've been intoxicated every time I've done it, but I either won the money back or paid--I didn't sue the casino.
     
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    Should be interesting to follow this story. If the guy was shit faced/out on your feet drunk "and" they increase his marker and keep serving him on top of it..things could get interesting.

    The flip side is I'd guess his history of betting in Vegas will undubtedly come into play too. So if this is pretty normal behavior/betting for him....he may be SOL even if he was :drunk:
     
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    LOL!

    i think... if you cant control your bankroll while being drunk, then.. yeah... dont drink!
     
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    I want to know what "blackout intoxicated" is?
     
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    I wonder what pisses him off more, losing 500k in one night or losing it all downtown. :wink2:
     
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    Sounds like a ploy to get a "loss rebate" or reduction of debt. The Watanabe precedent would have been interesting if that case would have not been settled out of court.
     
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    The point at which the brain is no longer able to make memories. Most people forget things that happen the night before, but can recall them when reminded the next day. Someone who has blacked out will not be able to recall anything that happened over an extended time.

    I hope he wins this. Yes he consumed the alcohol and its his own choices that got him here, but if he was truly blacked out it would be very obvious to casino staff and allowing him to play is akin to date rape. Just in a financial way.


    EDIT: The ABC story above claims that the Grand issued him further markers while he was drunk. I really doubt that an obviously intoxicated person can legally be held accountable for loans he signed while drunk.
     
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    It's funny how we hold people responsible for the decision to drive when they are drunk, but don't seem to want to hold them responsible for any other decisions they make while drunk.
     
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    The suit is against the Downtown Grand, not the D as the thread title indicates.
     
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    Here's some video that surfaced of the gambler in question:

    youtube.com/watch?v=Wms9LGqjkWA
     
  20. Kickin

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    I agree he is probably just hoping for a discount. But the Watanabe case seemed to have much more to it. Out of the $127MM he lost he paid them $112MM, they were suing him for the rest which he refused to pay partly because of being drunk and taken advantage of, but he also claimed they didn't honor some loss agreements he had in place.

    His case also got a little more weight from the fact that he used to play at Wynn but Steve Wynn met with him and decided he was too much of a compulsive gambler and alcoholic so barred him from the property (or at least that's what Watanabe's lawyer stated).

    So it looked pretty bad for CET to claim the guy was in control of his faculties when Wynn already personally barred him from his casino because he felt the guy wasn't.
     
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