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Las Vegas Strip going in the tank..

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by borel, Jul 16, 2015.

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  1. borel

    borel Tourist

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    For someone for the last 18 years who has visited the Las Vegas Strip as few as 3 times per year and as many as 6 times per year I must say things have never ever been worse.

    1) Resort fees- What a joke.. Roughly between $20 and $30 per night. Unless you are a high roller there is no avoiding this. For 5 months of the year you pay for this even without the use of the pool.

    2) 6/5 Blackjack- Once again unless your a high roller good luck trying to find a decent low roller game on the strip. They are few and far between. Depressing.

    3) Late night specials- Are they still available on the strip? Yes. Are they even harder to find? Yes!

    4) Early check in- Until the last 5 years this was always available in Las Vegas. 5 years later its still available but you guessed its for a cost. This typically has cost me anywhere from $20-40.

    What will be next? Who knows. Sadly there is no longer any competition amongst hotels on the Las Vegas Strip and as a result we are feeling it many ways. What else am I missing here? It saddens me deeply to see all these negative things happening in my favorite place in the world.
     
  2. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    I hear you. If they ever charge for self parking I might throw in the towel......
     
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  3. Tahoejoe2

    Tahoejoe2 High-Roller

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    For the pure gambler and veteran LV goers, I would agree with you completely.
    But for the once or twice a year tourist, the trade show guys and the sport nuts(SB & MM) I would disagree. They are there for the spectacle and the spectacle is better now than ever.
    Big beautiful casinos. The fantasy of being rich and living the good life. Huge buffets and 5 star restaurants with the best chefs in the world.
    Just my 2 cents. :)
     
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  4. captainron62

    captainron62 VIP Whale

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    You are 100% correct. It really hit me this weekend, I was walking thru Flamingo and there must have been 200 people checking in, the line was deep!! Over at the Total Rewards counter, and keep in mind they let you check in there even if you have entry level TR status there were two people. So in other words over 98% of the folks checking in were not TR members so were likely first timers or non-gamblers.

    We are in the minority, we are LV hobbyists, 90% of their clientele are as you described. I have several friends that have visited once and kinda came back with the "been there, done that, check the box" attitude and will never go back. LV thrives on the uneducated consumer in every way.
     
  5. ken2v

    ken2v This Space For Rent

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    I think the question of eroding value is apt, and for everyone. Most here take it with a huge chunk of salt, being as we all say Vegas-addled or because many are "playing" on the house's dime, but erosion is erosion.

    I'm checking prices in the dead of August and, frankly, am realizing that to get a place I'd/we'd consider staying at, even in the shittiest month, ain't cheap, not even in a comparative sense. For a middling accomm at a mid-tier joint like MGM Grand, I can pay the same bucks and go to another desert and get, quite frankly again, a far better hotel and resort experience. Yes, I know it's not a casino, and we all tally up "value" in different ways. But the deal -- remember, comp ain't free -- has eroded.

    Now the deal never seems to erode enough to stem the staggering visitation numbers -- and every generation has lamented the impending demise of Vegas because Vegas was forgetting what it was to be Vegas, and so far not so true. But there is a real-value diminution.
     
  6. lmking1224

    lmking1224 Low-Roller

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    Resort fees do seem like a total rip-off.
     
  7. ken2v

    ken2v This Space For Rent

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    Rip-off or not, they are part and parcel of travel. That they are somewhat new to Vegas and a lot of folks don't seem to travel elsewhere to experience adds some shock value, but they're a modern reality. I don't like 'em, but there they are.

    What they are is a signal of Vegas simply going mainstream travel destination. That's really the evolutionary tale of recent vintage, and it's taken a lot of long-taken-for-granted Vegas value with it.
     
  8. Ike

    Ike Low-Roller

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    I'm not a high roller far from it. I don't have to pay resort fees and I can find 3/2 Blackjack anywhere I go. If I'm being honest the 3/2 Blackjack is actually easier to find at under $25 in the last year than in recent memory. If you're looking for low roller games at Cosmo or Wynn you're doing it wrong.
     
  9. hail2skins

    hail2skins Low-Roller

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    On the Strip??

    When some folks used to talk about how Vegas "wasn't as good as it was in the old days," I would laugh and point to all the newer hotels that were built in the 90s as nicer in comparison to the old joints that were there in the pre-Mirage era.

    But lately I just look at aspects that the OP pointed out and wonder just how many ways will the hotel-casinos try to separate you from your money. First the Strip went to H17 blackjack. OK, fine. Then introduced 6/5 at some tables. Yuk, but if I want to play blackjack, I'll just go to a 3/2. Then the resort fees. Hate them, but figure I'm getting a decent room for a good relatively speaking.

    But I guess what's put me over the edge is entire casinos increasingly forcing folks to play 6/5 at the below $25 level. I want to play normal blackjack, but also think gambling should be a fun activity that I don't have to worry about losing a mortgage payment over a given weekend. That's why I haven't bothered with the Strip in nearly a decade, opting for downtown instead.

    And the decision by Wynn to go to 2x odds in craps just leaves me shaking my head. This is from a company who touts their relatively stable balance sheet.
     
  10. NickPapageorgio

    NickPapageorgio OG of the Sal Sagev Hotel

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    I'm not buying that 3/2 21 is easier to find now..... No way. It can still be found, but you do have to look.
     
  11. RockyBalboa

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    I just started going to Vegas in 2010 so I don't have the history that some of youse do but I have traveled quite a bit and like Ken said the resort fees are part of the travel package. I have mentioned before but even if you go to a hotel in San Antonio you will pay fees for valet parking, which you're basically forced to do, to the tune of $20-50 per night.

    Take the resort fee cost and roll it into the total all in cost of your average Vegas hotel and it will still come out cheaper than places in some cities. Ever stayed at a upper tier place in NYC or Miami?

    When I stay at the JW Marriot in Lima Peru I will pay upwards of $300 for some nights. Kinda the same as paying the listed rate on the Wynn site, no?

    So yeah...I don't get worked up over the resort fees in general. I DO wish they would just up their nightly rates and do away with the fees much like the airlines were forced to do.

    Minimal competition is not good for the consumer. So the fact that two companies control the bulk of the strip properties is annoying.

    I completely agree about the degradation of rules on gambling. The blackjack and the Wynn craps odds reduction is a slap in the face of the gamblers. Vegas has swung to the clubbing crowd but when that trend goes through the ebbs and flows hopefully we will see the gamblers get taken care of as hotels look to fill their rooms and get people on the casino floor.

    Corporations will nickel and dime the shit out of the public. Look at the convenience fees and other crap on utility bills. If they can find a way to reach into your pocket they're going to do it. The only way to combat that? Don't pay it.
     
  12. ACMike

    ACMike High-Roller

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    I might be in the minority, but I completely disagree with this. Vegas is still a tremendous value. You can still get a luxurious 4 or 5 star hotel room for under $200 a night. Yeah, resort fees are crap, but the rooms, amenities and atmosphere at most of these strip resorts are still a relative bargain compared to most vacation spots. I personally see 3/2 blackjack almost everywhere, even at $10 or $15. From my observations, 3/2 still outnumbers 6/5 on the strip. I've never had any trouble finding it. If your particular hotel does't have good gambling conditions, there are many other casinos within walking distance that do. The selection and range of dining and entertainment options are the best anywhere. Plus you can gamble and drink for free while doing so. The strip is still exciting, luxurious, and just plain cool.
     
  13. zing

    zing Low-Roller

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    I'm a fairly seasoned Vegas fanatic and TR member... and I had no idea you could check in at the Total Rewards desk until you just said that.
     
  14. captainron62

    captainron62 VIP Whale

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    Right across from the regular check in is a TR check in. They have a line for lower level members and Diamond/Platinum line as well. I rarely see anyone at either. A couple years ago on Labor Day Weekend we checked in on a Sat and the place was bombed. There were six people in the TR line, counting the two of us!!
     
  15. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    Flamingo went back down to gold??? It wasn't that way in April unless we missed it. Most people definitely don't read the sign, fwiw. Linq definitely got rid of the "Gold Member" line.
     
  16. BeeeJay

    BeeeJay President of The Red Lobster Hostess Satisfaction

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    Vegas is nicer, and it costs more than it used to. I have more money now than back in the cheap days so I'm fine, the evolution matches my needs.

    I also get the complaints from those who don't like the change.

    I think the increase in price is not quite proportional with the increase in "fanciness" as the costs of decreased competition and corporate greed have to be factored in.

    At the end of the day, the biggest loss is good service. Good service as slots-a-fun is no different than good service at Wynn. It's based in employees buying into the product and we all know the employee buy in has been corporatized away. No one drinks the kool-aid in 2015. Genuine care in customer experience is as extinct as genuine concern about employees, and the relationship is direct.

    Fuck it the place is still fun. Maybe the rest of the world is getting worse at an even faster pace.

    All I know is I have a good time in Vegas, but they are getting less money out of me for voluntary expenses every time they jack up the mandatory cost with some bullshit fee or worsened odd. Hey I'm voting with my dollars by playing less.
     
  17. seviay

    seviay High-Roller

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    I would like to see more players for more competition. I definitely dislike the trends I am seeing.
     
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    zing Low-Roller

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    Ah, didn't realize there was a separate Gold member check-in. I'll be sure to look for that next time.
     
  19. thecarve

    thecarve Misanthrope

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    Vegas ain't the value it once was. But pricey Vegas > no Vegas. So what are ya gonna do?:drunk:
     
  20. Ike

    Ike Low-Roller

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    Walk through the CET properties. 3/2 is everywhere, down to the $10 level. I know some MGM places have started pulling back but CET reversing course from what I've seen.
     
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