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Video Poker JoB VP Progressive vs regular JoB

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by VegasLover8, Mar 4, 2013.

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  1. VegasLover8

    VegasLover8 Low-Roller

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    Is there a difference (house advantage wise) between the JoB VP machines that are have higher than normal payouts for 4 OAK, straight flush, and royals?

    At my local casino, the "best" $0.25 JoB machines they have is 8-5 instead of the normal 9-6.

    But they have some with progressive payouts mentioned above and ones with regular payouts.

    I always play the progressive ones. Am I correct to do this?
     
  2. Buddha

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    The "progressive" jackpots do indeed increase the expected value percentage of any games, be it for Royal(s), straight flushes, or 4OAK. Anything that adds to a higher payoff represents a higher EV.

    HOWEVER, that being said ... whenever you have lower payoffs for the smaller wins, and increased payoffs for the larger wins, it makes the game more volatile, with larger swings between wins and losses. Let the player beware ....
     
  3. h_upmann

    h_upmann Low-Roller

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    Most progressive machines increase the payout on the royal flush only.

    To overcome the disadvantage for 8/5 JOB vs. 9/6 JOB, the progressive royal would have to be more than double the $1K (quarters) or $4K (dollars) payout. You don't see progressive jackpots that high very often but it happens.

    7/5 BP progressive vs 8/5 BP non-progressive is closer. A 60% bump on the progressive royal payout is probably worth playing.

    Note: This is my own rough math based on the fact that, for almost all pay tables, 2% of total VP returns come from the royal flush.
     
  4. VegasLover8

    VegasLover8 Low-Roller

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    Unfortunately, my local casino (Horseshoe Cleveland), they only offer 8/5 JoB at the $.25 level. That is why I am choosing to play the progressive ones rather than the "regular" 8/5 ones.

    Just wanted to confirm there was no extra house advantage in the progressive.
     
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    h_upmann Low-Roller

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    If the ENTIRE pay table is the same, then a progressive would be to your benefit. On real VP machines, there is no house advantage that can be adjusted. Only the pay table can change.

    Many people look at only the Full House/Flush payouts and assume all the others are the same across all machines. Some casinos tweak the other payouts to increase the house advantage.

    In real play, a progressive ends up being the same as a non-progressive unless you get a Royal. When/if you get a Royal, then the payback is in your favor vs a non progressive. But ONLY when you hit the Royal.

    I am amazed at those that say those machines are so much better without taking that into account. (this coming from someone with a fair amount of play and one Royal in the past 10 years)
     
  7. mike_m235

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    If you post the specific paytables of two different machines, a lot of people here could tell you the exact advantage of one over the other.
     
  8. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    This. I was playing at a casino bar yesterday. It had ~10 progressive quarter bartops and one "SuperStar Poker" multigame machine not connected to the progressive. The Royal had been hit recently and the jackpot was like ~$1013. They were there playing 6/5 Double Double Bonus on it for quarters, where 8/5 exists many other places on the casino floor while I played 8/5 DDB with Super Times Pay for nickels...lol

    Also this typically goes for games with bonus bets like Super Times Pay. Games with the extra bonus bet are only better IF the rest of the paytable is the same.
     
  9. VegasLover8

    VegasLover8 Low-Roller

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    Thanks for all the replies. It was definitely 8-5-4-3-2-1 (1 coin) with higher than "normal" payouts for 4 OAK, straight flush, and royal.

    There were actually 2 payouts for royals. The one royal was little more than the normal $1,000. The other was for over $15K. I dont remember the exact wording, but I interpreted as having a royal with the cards in correct order like AKQJ10 as opposed to a royal such as Q,10,A,J,K.
     
  10. tringlomane

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    Yeah, that's a sequential royal machine.

    The royal has to be in order AKQJT for it to be rewarded. Some machines also award it if you have TJQKA. If they reward "both ways" it adds 0.54% to the return with the initial $12,500 meter. It will lead to some weird plays occasionally though. Holding 3 to a sequential royal over 4 to a straight flush, 3 of a kind, 2 pair, or high pair. Breaking 9KQJT straight flush to go for the sequential. And holding AT suited if it's in order.

    According to VPFree, Horseshoe has some 8/6 JoB machines on the 2nd floor, mixed in with machines that are just 8/5 JoB. 8/6 JoB could be better than the 8/5 JoB machines with a progressive, depending on how high the progressive meters are.

    http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/horseshoe-casino-cleveland
     
  11. VegasLover8

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    Thanks I dont go often, but will need to look for the 8-6 JoB machines. I definitely did not check each and every machine. So I may have missed them. VPfree does say it is mixed in. So I guess I will need to check each and every one.
     
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    Progressives are at times a better return than a non-progressive. Besides the EV you must also consider the variance. I would rather play a$0.25 9/6 JB progressive that was 100% EV ($1,220.) than play a $0.25 6/5 JB progressive that was 101% EV ($3,482.25). Look at
    http://www.videopokerhelp.net/condensed-prog.htm

    With high variance the drain may deplete your bankroll before you hit the RF. If you play millions of hands per year on high variance progressives you are likely to overcome the variance. Also keep in mind that when playing a progressive the strategy is very different.
     
  13. DonnyC

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    I keep expecting to read a post for somebody hit the jackpot!

    I'm Going there in May and going to take that machine for all it's worth and hit the jackpot so you better get there first!!
     
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