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Is it possible to get comped rooms only from poker?

Discussion in 'The Poker Room' started by georgewalskin, Aug 30, 2012.

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  1. georgewalskin

    georgewalskin Tourist

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    In Atlantic City, i got comped rooms at the Borgata and Taj... 2 nights a week monday-thursday and all i did was play poker. I havent played table games for a while and i recalled i got many room offers when i played table games back a few years ago.

    Im here in vegas now and i want to know if one does not play any table games and play just poker, does that mean no comped rooms at all? For example, if i play like 30 hours a week at a CET property, Wynn, Venetian or Mlife property, does that mean I have zero offers if i ONLY PLAY POKER?

    For Atlantic city, I got comped rooms 2 nights a week once i played like 15 hours and then got it for like 2 months straight! I assume here in vegas, one gets absolutely no offers at all if one just plays poker?
     
  2. mike_m235

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    You're not likely to find a free room offer from and MLife property, but you will see a lot of offers for a poker rate. MGM has been sending a lot of those lately. The other thing with that rate is you don't have to wait for an offer -- you can usually call for one and they'll give it to you and you'll promise to play four hours a day.

    I have a few vegas friends who only play poker, and that's what they do. If you've got serious poker questions, you will get some really good answers from some of the big poker forums. I'd name them here, but I'm not sure if that's frowned on or not.
     
  3. dewey089

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    CET will send offers of free rooms and reduced rates just on poker play, even just 2/4 limit play. I play just 2/4 or 3/6 limit and I get offers. I think they were a bit more generous before last year. Once I got 5 free nights at Harrah's based on play at Flamingo and IP. I don't really get them in the mailings, I get them by bringing up offers on the Total Rewards site, booking a couple nights, and then calling to see what else they might be able to do for me, and calling back again to see. It depends on the operator and the time.
    It is important to book something first, even if it is to be changed later.
    If they make an offer and book me on the phone, they will not charge the normal $10 fee for booking on the phone if I called because we could not access any offers after we had booked in a given month.
    Casino rates are often not as good as what you can book on line and why take a poker rate if you can get the same deal without the obligation of playing a certain number of hours in the casino poker room?
    One interesting casino rate is $24 a night (weekdays) at Binions with no real obligation to do any certain amount of play.
    I get 3 weekend nights at the 4 Queens based on VP play. I can extend those for the same $24, but then those days count when they figure my play rate and I water down my play. However, if I book a poker rate to extend my stay, using the Binions deal, that will not be seen by the 4 Queens because the two bits of information come on separate computers, at least until they combine cards. I may try that next trip. However, I have not played very much poker at Binions, so I don't know if I would like it. Last time I got $15 a night at the D and that extended my 4 queens 3 night weekend deal so that I could easily roll luggage from one casino to another and be in the same basic area.
    I'm not getting offers now from the D. Perhaps I did not play enough for offers.
     
  4. Auggie

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    If you mean Two Plus Two and All Vegas Poker they get mentioned all the time.


    For the OP:
    Although "COMP" is short for complimentary when referring to "Casino Comps" it also includes discounts... and you can get discounted rooms for playing poker in Las Vegas (often referred to as the poker room rate).

    Free rooms are pretty unlikely and thats because of the math:

    - Lets say they rake $3 per pot on the average and you play 30 hands per hour... thats $90
    - But there are always 6-9 players at the table, lets use "7" as our lucky number of players on the average. That means the $90 gets divided by 7 players = $12.85 per player the casino expects to make
    - The casino wants to give back 30% of that expected win in the form of comps... thats $12.85 * .3 = $3.85
    - Most of the poker rooms already give players something like $1-1.50 in comp points per hour already, so we have to factor that in: $3.85 - $1 = $2.85

    So in the end $2.85 is about what you are earning in comp potential per hour of play.

    If you play 8 hours a day that will add up to $22.80

    So at this point its pretty easy to figure out that $22.80 isn't going to cover the cost of a $80 hotel room, and thats where the "poker room rate" most hotels offer comes in, which you will find at most properties in Las Vegas is.... about $20 off the regular cost of a room!

    So in the end it all works out pretty neat and tidy! You could say there is $2.80 in unused comps left out there but really if you have 2 or 3 drinks an hour in the casino while playing that'll cover that.

    But that doesn't always mean no free offers. If its a really slow time of the year or if they think you might bring along somebody who'll gamble (or with MLife or Total Rewards you have a linked account or companion card) you might get some free room offers or really big discounts where maybe they only want $10-15 per night (I've had a few of those in the past from Harrah's where they wouldn't fully comp the room and still wanted $10 a day)
     
  5. crussader

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    Short Answer: With CET, yes.

    Long Answer:

    I play 4 to 6 hours of poker a day when in Vegas. I don't play table games at all. At the end of my poker day, I typically play a little on the penny slots to get 4 to 6 free drinks to cap off the night. Usually, about $50 coin-in per day and +/- $20 per trip in actual money.

    Last August I signed up for a TR card. After my play on that one trip I started getting comps with CET. I don't get any mailings or any worthwhile "offers" when I sign in to my TR account. However, when I login to my account to make a reservation, I get plenty of free or seriously discounted rooms at CET properties.

    Since then I have spent three trips at IP. In November, I got a Thursday to Monday completely free. In February, I got a Wednesday to Monday for a total of a $32 charge for Saturday night (tax included). This August, I got a Wednesday to Tuesday for a total of a $29 charge for Saturday night.
     
  6. DuckyD77090

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    The AC market is different than Vegas - especially when it comes to the hotel situation.

    Mid-week between October and March, the AC hotels run at an abysmal occupancy rate mid-week. Who wants to be at the cool/cold/freezing Jersey Shore in mid-late fall/winter/early-mid spring? Other than me, that is. Add to the situation that much of AC's market lives within 2-3 hours of AC, itself and there's just no reason for people to take multiple days and stay there.

    As such, almost *any* relationship to the market is worth a few free nights. Jeez, if you no-play them but eat dinner in their restaurant, the margin on a decently priced dinner is still worth their while to give you the hotel room :)

    In Vegas, hotels are just the opposite - even in the heat of the summer or the relative cool of winter, hotels still see respectable occupancy rates. As such, Poker isn't given the same recognition as it is in AC. The casinos offer it and they'll flip you a few bucks comp and maybe a poker-rate room if it's not a busy weekend and they have availability. But that's about it. They don't roll out the carpet the way the Borg does in AC.

    I miss the Borg. The best poker room I've ever been in, hot chocolate with whip, Old Homestead, Tony Luke's and Noodles of the World. I could have lived there.
     
  7. Nevyn

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    At CET, you'll get some offers but not much. Weeknights at lower end properties, maybe.

    Basically, you can get occasional free rooms but your travel plans need to be flexible.
     
  8. blazer

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    I just got a free room offer for the new Golden Nugget in AC (formerly Trump Marina) I never set foot in the Nugget and don't know how I wound up with the offer.
     
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    My Dh and I get free room offers from CET based primarily on poker play (because that is what we mostly do). I will play slots or VP some, but not nearly enough to warrant free rooms.

    Now granted, the rooms are at Ballys, Harrahs, Flamingo, IP, or Rio, during the week and usually for 2 nights. We will get discounted rates at the other properties. We get offers in the mail about every 3 months but they are also listed on-line. Usually get a better deal when we put both of our Player card numbers in.
     
  10. dewey089

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    This is primarily what I get. However, when I call after having booked and look to extend a stay, sometimes they will add free nights that I can't see on line. Those operators seem to have a lot of flexibility and one told me to keep calling, that what they can do changes even hourly. Each time I do it, they first try to sell me rooms often at a discount. However, One time by calling I extended a 2 free night booking at Harrah's to 5 free nights in a row just with a few calls. My wife was happy and actually went to Vegas with me.
    I play only poker in CET properties and nothing else. My VP bankroll is used at the Four Queens where I get generous offers of 3 night weekends, freeplay and food or at Sam's Town where I sometimes get a couple nights, or at Orleans where I sometimes get an offer, especially if I have not been there in a while. Those offers can be extended for maybe $24, but then to keep up the daily average of play I would need to have a larger bankroll or water down my play and then not get offers. I look for ways to extend the free offers by finding places to buy as cheap piggy backs. The D on very little play offers me 2 for 1 rooms and if their rates are as cheap as $30, I can piggy back them with the Four Queens and have a comfortable check in check out. Gold Spike will have sales that make their rooms as cheap as $22 even with the resort fee and while staying there I will not gamble except for the cheap El Cortez poker game.
    The CET rooms are always weekdays and not weekends. But right now were I able to go, I"d be able to piggy back rooms at the Orleans on a weekend. It is a longer commute, and the new bus rules may give me trouble, but I may just walk and use the tram Bellagio to Monte Carlo and walk to the 201 from there so it is doable. Or a cheap rate at the Super 8 gives me that same freedom from gambling except at Flamingo poker.
    Another nice thing about the CET offers is that I dont' have to play where I stay or even, it seems on the days I get for free. The 5 days I had with my wife I did very little gambling, but other days on my 23 day trip I was at the poker tables for hours. Never, however, at Harrah's where my room was or at Rio when I took a room there. The hours of play on other days in other properties seemed to take care of keeping my minimal offers. They always come for all the casinos, with the more expensive ones offering deals but not free nights but they seem to be packaged in a deal for each place. The same thing in the post booking calling to extend. The operators seem to see all the casinos and can find offers sometimes in other ones.
    I am hoping that the new upgrades won't make the IP an expensive stay. I can't believe they would upgrade and do all this work and not want to charge more. But then some places try charging more and find that they lose their cheap business. I did like being able to walk over to Caesar's pool and being close to good poker on the strip.
    But I won't pay for that. The exercise is good for me. My pace is slow. I am never in any hurry and often awake when no poker is being dealt, so I'll continue to arrange my trips on the cheap. Last 22 night stay my average room cost was $14.68 and that was with three weekends including Memorial day weekend. My second last trip my 22 night average was $13.68. If I can keep the trip costing this little, less than camping, I can keep going at least a couple times a year. Trips with my wife cost a good bit more. Even renting a winter place in Florida for a few months to escape the snow is more expensive than Vegas, although there we save a bunch on food and entertainment and shopping as everything is so cheap.
     
  11. KKB

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    Doubtful but possible

    I mostly play poker tourneys, a bit of cash, max bet .25VP on the side...hit Vegas for 3-7 days about 4x/yr plus hit our local casino every 2-3 months or so for a night.
    I get reduced rates, and sometimes comped during the week...(though not at CP), often comped if I link w/ DH (who plays tourneys, VP & sports bets). We rarely even get weekends comped, except during very slow times--and linked CP may pop up.
    Slot players get the most love for sure, followed by VP players.
     
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