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Is anyone else annoyed by the negativity surrounding Vegas?

Discussion in 'Misc. Vegas Chat' started by Kolmeseiska, Jun 7, 2016.

  1. Kolmeseiska

    Kolmeseiska Low-Roller

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    Back in 2012 when I started planning my first trip to Las Vegas, I researched EVERYTHING there is to know about the place. Most importantly I joined this board among with a bunch of Vegas based Facebook groups, Tripadvisor, you name it. I loved doing it and I still do, especially the trip reports in here are golden. But lately I've noticed that there is so much negativity everywhere and it's starting to get to me.

    The hotel rates are too high, the blackjack rules are horrible, the table limits are awful, resort fees keep getting higher, the drinks are watered down, parking isn't free, dealers aren't smiling, MyVegas rewards aren't what they used to be, half of the hotels are dumps, comps are non-existent, the list goes on and on and on.

    Sure, the bad stuff are worth a discussion as well, make no mistake about that. I've posted my fair share of criticism as well. But my personal experience lately is that so many people are just complaining about everything and not focusing on the better sides of Vegas. I'm not referring to anyone in particular, not even this board, this just an overall tone all around Vegas based boards/sites/groups etc from what I've seen, say this last year or so. Even sites like Review journal and VitalVegas are constantly finding bad stuff to write articles about, I miss VegasChatter, I really do.

    I'm a member in a few non-Vegas travel boards (mostly Finnish) and can't see this trend on them even if a certain destination is taking a turn for the worse. People just find another destinations if the existing ones lose their appeal. Does anyone feel the same way or am I just imagining this?
     
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  2. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    We still go to Vegas at least twice a year.

    And yes, food and drink prices go up. Comps are getting tighter. Staff is getting tired. Rooms and hotels are not as new. Headliners are less frequent. Table rules tigher, slots even tighter. Slow but sure, it is changing.

    Yep, but we still go. Not to be negative, but the changes slowly taking over will reduce our trips.
     
  3. Kolmeseiska

    Kolmeseiska Low-Roller

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    I get that and eventually if the trend keeps on going, I'll be one of the first to be priced out of Vegas. But before that happens, I'll try to stay as positive as possible. After all, I love the place more than anything!
     
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  4. rvallez6

    rvallez6 Low-Roller

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    I try to talk Vegas with people that want to talk vegas lol. I tend to talk about it way more than anybody and a number of people get annoyed i'm sure. Right now, my brother (who is going with me on my trip next week), loves talking Vegas. He's oblivious to a lot of the negative stuff like resort fees and so on. He does know about blackjack rules, video poker paytables, as he recently go into that stuff in more detail. But i like that he is not jaded about some of the negative changes, because it helps keep me in a positive mindstate about it. I get annoyed about some of the changes, even though they don't always directly affect me.

    The paid parking is one, but i never even drive to Vegas, and this is the first time i'll be renting a car, staying downtown though. When it comes down to it, the negative stuff i think about only happens when i'm not there. Once i arrive, its a whole different story.

    Some of the stuff is concerning, because you can see how the trends are going. People like me are probably the last to be affected because we live so close, and planning a trip is relatively painless. The farther away you are, the worse it is though.
     
  5. DeMoN2318

    DeMoN2318 The DERS

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    Its human nature to focus on what is being taken away rather than what they have...
     
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  6. Harry Lyme

    Harry Lyme Low-Roller

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    Nope, I hear ya. I think complaining is good, and occasionally some good comes out of it. I can dig it. Plus, it's a public board and sometimes the only place you can vent without getting the door closed on you, or the phone hung up. However, I think a lot of us are full of crap with our venom. We say we're tired of it, but then we keep going. We lay into Vegas, and join the office gripe session about lowered odds, but continue to go to our locals, some possessing similar or worse HAs.

    Still, I think most people want time for their money, and travelling all the way across the country (for some of us) to not get that, or be nickel and dimed everywhere else, well, sucks.
     
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  7. ExVegasLocal

    ExVegasLocal Low-Roller

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    I recently wrote a scathing trip report, so I suppose you can count me among the complainers. But as someone who had a decades-long love affair with Vegas, lived there for 11 years, and continued to visit often as a tourist even after moving away, I feel my opinions are relevant enough to be shared.

    For me, Vegas has become something unrecognizable and sadly, undesirable. However, I do not expect everyone will agree with me. Nor do I intend to convince others that my opinion is correct.

    Still, I want to be free to discuss my feelings. I think this is the appropriate forum. My understanding is that the this board is intended for the discussion of all things Vegas - not just the good things.
     
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  8. Sonya

    Sonya Queen of VMB

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    I think part of it is the internet. The internet hates change and loves to complain and be OUTRAGED!! ;) Sure, some things are not changing for the better in Las Vegas, but there are enough things going for it that I'm bummed I don't have an upcoming trip on the calendar. It's still my happy place.

    That said, I love it when someone says that such and such change will mean death for Vegas. For 17 years, I have heard that about almost everything. Themed casinos, families coming to Vegas, end of the $3 buffet, nightclubs, 5-star resorts, tighter blackjack, tighter machines, City Center, non-smoking poker rooms, resort fees, parking, uber, pool parties, etc. But somehow we all seem to keep on booking trips out there. :)

    There is a lot of nickel and dimeing going on right now and that's annoying and frustrating. But I encourage everyone to vote with your feet and your dollars. If someone is charging for parking and you don't want to pay, just stay somewhere else. If the Strip's gaming rules/paytables don't make you happy, there are other (better) options out there.

    I think that people share their wins and their losses here, their loves and their complaints. I know, for me at least, I don't have a lot of places in my real life where I can talk endlessly about Las Vegas, the good and the bad.
     
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  9. LV_Bound

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    The problem is we love Vegas so much that with all the changes we see happening we can see it heading toward a time when Vegas will no longer be our primary destination.
     
  10. benbrownjr

    benbrownjr Low-Roller

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    I think some people just like to complain. I will only complain about things that have a direct effect on me. I don't play BJ so the 6/5 thing doesn't effect me. But I do drive to Vegas so the parking fees effect me. What's kinda funny is some of the folks complaining about kids on the strip are the ones whose parents took them in the 90's when that was the marketing strategy at the time.
     
  11. Miller12pack

    Miller12pack Low-Roller

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    We have been going to vegas for 30 plus years, and of course things have changed. Some for the better, some not so good. As long as I can have a drink and a cigarette when I want to, I will continue to go. If the machines don't pay out like they used to, that,s ok, I still have a chance to win.If the food is more expensive, that,s ok, there are plenty of options in any price range. If the casinos are full of twenty year olds, that's ok. They aren't doing anything that we didn't do at that age. Take it for what it is now and to the people that have been going for years, we are the lucky ones because we saw a lot of awesome things and places that the younger ones didn't get to see. But in the end we will all have memories of vegas-then or now. And always feel free to vent-good or bad.
     
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  12. smerrian

    smerrian Low-Roller

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    There is no "other destination". No place is like Vegas. It is a singularity.
     
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  13. bigalbr

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    I think for people like me, Vegas is in kind of a weird place. I loved Barbary Coast being on the strip as a Coast Casino. I loved the Stardust. I liked that instead of the current situation with MGM and CET, you had MGM Resorts, Mirage Resorts, Park Place, and Harrah's. I liked that the Trop, Boardwalk, and San Remo were holding down prices on the South End of the Strip. Fine dining was available, but I could go for a week and eat prime rib specials under $14 and crab leg buffets for under $20 every day without going to the same place twice.

    Also, the recession didn't help. It looked like we were losing the Stardust, New Frontier and the Westward Ho for Echelon Place and Fountainebleu. Instead, we just lost the Stardust, New Frontier and the Westward Ho. Plus, we may have lost the Riviera because of the death of the North Strip.
     
  14. bigalbr

    bigalbr VIP Whale

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    Another good point. If I get irritated with a Florida beach resort, there are many more beach resorts. There are even multiple beach towns. Pretty much only one Vegas.
     
  15. tcocona

    tcocona Low-Roller

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    Yes,I believe you are reading it correctly.There is a lot of negative discourse on Las Vegas right now and I believe it is truly justified.Crap like a hotel room is advertised for $25 and has a $25 resort fee .If the room is $50 say so and get on with it.Many items in the resort fee are never used by the general public.I love to sports bet and there isn't a place in the U.S. where you can get the action of Las Vegas.So I will continue to go to Las Vegas until it bothers me so much that the negatives outweigh the positives.If that happens it will be a sad day for me as I've been going to Las Vegas for 50 something years!!!!!!!
     
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  16. leo21

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    When I see positive, I talk about it. But there are things happening that directly impact my Vegas experience for the worse. I'm the customer so I don't feel obligated to blow smoke to make Vegas look better when I am not happy.
     
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  17. azlefty

    azlefty Low-Roller

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    I agree that people are angry and complain. I don't necessarily agree with all of the vitriol and I tend to ignore it. In fact, I enjoy Vegas about as much as I ever have, after going there about twice a year for the last 25 years. Sure some things change, but what I want always seems to be available somewhere and I don't mind looking for it. I have a lot more money now than I did then, and could spend a lot more, but I realize I don't really have to spend much more in order to enjoy myself. I used to go to the strip, but now I mostly stay away from the strip, which is perfectly fine with me. The older I get, the more I appreciate the slower pace and not standing in long lines.

    Also: I'm not a fan of fees per se but once you recognize that they exist for a reason that isn't simply to jack people, you can do some basic arithmetic to determine the all-in cost, or just look at the final screen. It might feel a little sleazy the first time around but once you expect it, just add it in with the tax. And take care to book at the hotel website so you get it back in some kind of credits. The reality is that the hotel business in Las Vegas is unbelievably competitive and the all-in value in Las Vegas hotels is about as good as you will see anywhere in the developed world, even when the US dollar is strong. I think I spend about as much per night now after resort fees as I did in the late 1990s, and sometimes less, not even accounting for inflation. Five years ago during the crash, it was even better, since nobody could afford to travel, but everyone was operating at a loss and some hotels went out of business.

    One thing that is much more expensive than it used to be is food, but that is true everywhere.
     
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  18. KimiCoconuts

    KimiCoconuts Low-Roller

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    You know, for me, I just enjoy the stories and trip reports. I basically ignore the complaining. I mean, if you go to Vegas, you are going to pay for it one way or another, either by gambling and getting comped for your stay, or by paying for it like any other vacation destination. There are a lot of wonderful things to do in Vegas and it's all in one place, it's a paradise for me. I also happen to love gambling, so you can guess which kind of trip I might take. I would not worry much about people not being happy as long as YOU are happy, right?!!! ;)
     
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  19. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    We grumble and complain because we care. There's so much nickel and diming going on that it obscures the good things about Vegas.

    We want to continue to go to Vegas but as some posters have already mentioned, it might come to a point where we'll visit less and less, and maybe not at all.

    We hope that day never comes, but what can we do? They do stupid things.
     
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    Am I the only one who thinks rooms in Vegas are cheaper now then it was 10-15 years ago? Im not old enough to have gone in the 80's or early to mid 90's, but I remember when I was in college going to Vegas and paying like $275 a night for a room on a weekend at Harrah's. No resort fee, but it was a huge bill.

    I go to Vegas now 10-12 times a year and never pay more then $200 including tax and fee a night for nice places like Mandalay Bay, Aria, and Bellagio. If you frequent Vegas, the evolution doesn't seem as drastic because you see it more. I think people that don't go a lot and have some fantasy of what a business needs to charge to stay solvent get a sticker shock. Travel is expensive. Hilton Garden Inns in the burbs are like $140 a night so what would a top resort in a travel destination charge?