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Table Games INVALID BET - Roulette

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by BlackEight88, Jul 8, 2014.

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  1. BlackEight88

    BlackEight88 Tourist

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    So I was wondering to get some experts take on this situation that happened on my last trip...

    Me and my girlfriend go to a $10 minimum table for roulette, no one else playing. I put $100 down and tell the dealer to split it, $50 for me and $50 for my girlfriend. I am playing, and winning a lot, turn my $50 to about $250. My girlfriend played one spin, lost, and sat out with her chips still in front of her.

    I am about to leave the table, because I am up, but expected her to lose all her chips anyways, so I tell her, lets put $10 each on two numbers inside. I grab her two $10 stacks, and say "What should we do? 7 and 11?" (our anniversary 7-11). So I take the chips and plop them down on 7, and 11, and I also have my bets that I have been doing out there.

    Low and behold, the ball jumps into the 7 slot, and I go nuts! I jump up and im like YEAH BABY!!! I sit down, and the dealer informs me "Sorry sir, that is an invalid bet I can't pay you." I start freaking out, and he explains I can't play two colors, and because I touched her chips, the bet is invalid.

    I immediately start thinking, what about at a crowded table when you can't reach and say, "hey can you put this on XX for me?" ...are all of those bets invalid too?? If I had lost, of course I wouldn't get my money back even though it was invalid either, so what gives?

    Eventually, he says he will pay me this time, but I can't do that again. Anyone experience anything like that before?
     
  2. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    I have seen them warn people about playing two colors in those situations, but it is always before the spin so it gives the other player a chance to confirm that those are the bets she wants. So, I don't think the dealer was making things up on the fly, but clearly it could have been handled better
     
  3. woodsie

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    It's not unusual for casinos to be leary of one player making bets with another players money. They don't know your relationship and even if you tell them, they don't want to be in the middle of a dispute if the bet goes south.

    The dealer should have declared "no bet" BEFORE the ball dropped though, not after.

    Some places are more stringent than others.
     
  4. Auggie

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    I play a lot of roulette and I have seen dealers declare an invalid bet, but not a situation like what you are describing.

    I would suspect this was from the casino to protect the house: that its not that you actually "touched" her chips, but more that you actually placed bets with her chips.

    For the casino it opens up the problem where: you put her chips on 7 and 11... if a 7 or 11 comes up then "Yay!" you won! but if something else comes up she could say "Hey, where are my chips? I didn't place that bet?" and then she could be demanding her chips back. That is probably not something you and your girlfriend would do, but there are just loads of scammers and cheats out there that would try it.
     
  5. sxr007

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    Yes totally not the correct way for the dealer to handle it.

    If you lost would the dealer had said, "sorry, I can't take your money that was invalid bet" ? I don't think so. So what she was doing was actually unethical. If she was going to declare a invalid bet she needed to do so when it happened not after you win.
     
  6. Funkhouser

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    That was kinda a dick move by the dealer, he should have been observing the wagers made, also since he issued the chips at the table, he would have known that the wager was for the individual the color was assigned to.
    I would have immediately called for the floor, and claimed that the girlfriend asked me to lay the wager down for good luck. It is not uncommon for others to handle chips on a busy table, if it is a policy of the casino, then it should be posted in the rules section of the table.
     
  7. sindustry

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    Wow...sounds like a nazi dealer. Since you and your girl had the table to yourself, the dealer should have clearly noticed you betting both colors and should have nicely let you know as soon as he saw you...not after the number hit. Hope you didn't tip the dealer.
     
  8. jhpa

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    Assuming that it happened exactly the way you say, I would have gone ballistic and asked to see a pit boss and - if that did not work - higher.
    He obviously saw how the bet was placed and had ample opportunity to call the "no bet" before the ball dropped. He could have told you as you were doing it. But even if he was busy, once he called " no more bets" he easily had time to tell you. Calling the bet off after the ball was in the slot was garbage and would suggest he would not have done so if the bet had lost.

    Are you sure it was not this scenario:
    You placed the bets as you described, the dealer said - "Invalid Bet" or something similar that you did not clearly hear or did not understand. Then after the ball dropped, he explained it to you? That would have been unfortunate, but a little more understandable.
     
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    Last week I was told I couldn't place bets with my wife's chips at a roulette table, but this was as I put the chips on the numbers.
     
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    If it is as you say.

    I would have raised hell but i suspect we are missing some details.

    Had a trip where the roulette ball bounced above the number slits and balanced and stopped there and they counted tge spin. Total bs
     
  11. BlackEight88

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    Nope it was exactly as I described. It was abundently clear what we were doing and he didn't say a single thing until I got done with my little celebration. And yea, I did throw him $5 because he did pay me when he said he couldn't. And I woulda raised hell if he didn't.
     
  12. BlackEight88

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    Also, what makes me even more pissed is the fact that it was my money, I put the $100 down in the beginning anyways!
     
  13. S'AllGoodMan

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    I've been told time and again not to place my husbands bets when I have my own color. They just scold me and husband tells dealer what bets to place. Never after a bet. Always while I'm placing numbers.
     
  14. Terry Benedict

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    Assuming that it happened exactly the way you say,

    The dealer HAD to pay you because you had a valid argument to take to the pit boss: Either the dealer allowed the bet before HE dropped the ball, or he did not let her know her bet was invalid before the ball stopped spinning. I think he should have at least made your girlfriend tap her chips for the cameras, like they signal the cameras on a hop bet in craps.

    Look, I don't think it was a big deal. He sure made you aware of roulette etiquette in a way you will never forget. And he paid you. And now we all know.
     
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