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Interesting Hand from the weekend

Discussion in 'The Poker Room' started by Shipppp09, Dec 20, 2015.

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  1. Shipppp09

    Shipppp09 Low-Roller

    Dec 1, 2013
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    Hey all,

    I have another interesting hand that I played this weekend which I'm hoping some of you may be able to help give me some advice.

    Game was a pretty standard 1/1 game, table was 8 handed, 3/4 regs and 4/5 drunk/fun players (including myself). Stacks are pretty shallow,average stack probably 60/80 and the game is very much relaxed,very chatty with it being the weekend before Xmas.

    So another drunk guy gets moved to my direct right, he buys in for 100 and immediately begins to be super aggro. I've seen this guy play before (sober) and he is actually very good so I know to be alert even though he was as drunk as a skunk lol.

    3/4th hand in and I look over to our opponent who unintentionally flashes me both his cards whilst trying to look at them. I mention this too him, and the dealer hears me tell him this. 10 minutes later or so and the guy to his direct right also chirps up that he has seen both of his cards when he was looking that them. He was literally almost lifting them off the table to look at them.. dealer gives him a warning and says that it is his responsibly to protect his hand at all times.

    We carry on playing and it's folded round to the button. He raises to 4, and our friend to our right clear as day lifts up his hand and (unintentionally) shows me his hand. j7dd. It putts me in a tricky situation here as the guy has already exposed his hand twice and been warned by the dealer about it. I look down at QJcc and decide to see a flop.

    Flop comes 552cc and rather unexpectedly our opponent leads for 10. Again I'm not quite sure what to do here so I just flat call, original raiser gets out the way and we are heads up going to the turn.

    Turn is 8s, changes nothing, again he fires for 25. Now I literally know he has nothing but wtf am I supposed to do in this spot? I kind of wish I had said something pre flop but this cannot be my fault and the guy has been warned twice before about this. I decide to flat call, seriously hoping I hit my hand on the river.

    River comes the 10c, phew, predictably he ships in his remaining 55 or so and I call. His cards hit the muck and I scoop the pot. But the question is, what happens if the river is a complete blank, if he goes all in I surely can't call with Qhigh even though I know that it's good..

    I guess I expect to get flamed here for not speaking up but I can't help but think that the golden rule of poker is, as the dealer pointed out, to protect your hand at all times.

    Thoughts guys?
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2015
  2. sindustry

    sindustry VIP Whale

    Jul 22, 2013
    I would have put him all in...especially after the other player folded. You gave him plenty of notice about protecting his hand and by putting him all in, you give him an opportunity to quit his Tom Foolery.

    Edit: I would not have played your hand to begin with, having seen the guy was holding one of you outs and you were facing a raise. But since you did play and given the information you had, I would have done what I suggested above.
  3. TriggerMN

    TriggerMN The Norwegian Hammer

    Mar 18, 2015
    Rochester, MN
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    Wait, so somebody is giving you a look at their cards and you TELL THEM? Wow. :eek:
  4. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

    Jan 21, 2013
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    Quite a few players give a heads up to an offender...once. Definitely not required, but it's polite.

    In Omaha8 games I've played, a lot of the regulars let me look at their cards while I'm not actively in the hand. They truly don't care.
  5. Bo333

    Bo333 VIP Whale

    Aug 20, 2010
    Austin, TX
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    I'll always give someone a heads up if I can see their cards.
  6. Throwdown

    Throwdown Tourist

    Oct 20, 2015
    One warning is sufficient. After you've told him once that you can see his cards, it's open season.

    Push all-in on the turn.
  7. Nevyn

    Nevyn VIP Whale

    Apr 13, 2007
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    This is somewhat tricky ground for me. Has not happened for me.

    On the one hand, I feel zero sympathy for the drunk guy. Heads up, completely his responsibility, I have zero problem with him getting fleeced.

    But I suppose the 'proper' thing to do is to let the dealer know as soon as you've seen the cards, before you even decide whether to play. Yes, it is inconvenient and it sucks, but you are gaining a theoretical edge not only on that player but on the rest of the table, as you have more information than them. Not sure how the dealer would handle it, (booting the guy, making him show everyone the hole cards, etc).

    Also, this hand was at some point 3 way action, right? Or was the drunk guy the button? Because if the drunk guy and your flat call are what pushed the button out of the pot, you had an unfair edge on that player too. He is having to read the drunk guy blind, and read you assuming you are doing the same.
    Golf/World Men's Curling
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  8. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

    Sep 15, 2010
    At the tables
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    you should have raised the turn since you knew you were good.

    no way he calls and if he pushes all in you can call on the come even though you know you're good already.

    nobody could possibly fault you.
  9. whitefox

    whitefox Tourist

    Aug 8, 2015
    Las Vegas
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    I don't think you did anything wrong even if you had won the hand with Q high.

    I've had two similar situations.

    The first was at one of my local casinos in Colorado — 1/2 NL and the gentleman to my right (50s, kinda drunk) was constantly and carelessly lifting his cards off the table. If you’ve never been in the situation of seeing another player’s cards at the poker table, it is extremely uncomfortable. It’s kinda like accidentally seeing your best friend’s wife’s right boob. You immediately look away and try to pretend you didn’t see anything but you aren’t fooling anyone. The expression on your face would give it away to anyone who’s paying attention.

    Anyway, the first time I saw his cards I immediately folded and felt really awkward. A few hands later I saw them again and felt awkward again, but told him to keep his cards on the table because I saw them. The dealer (who’s name is Lucky, for what it’s worth) heard me and told him to protect his hand. The very next hand he did the same thing. And again I pointed out that I was accidentally seeing his cards. And again he was scolded by the dealer. After I folded.

    When it happened the third time I punished him and used his cards to my advantage. I don’t remember the hand details except that I won a huge pot with A high against his small suited connectors.

    The second time this happened was when I was on business in South Africa at Montecasino last fall. I was playing in one of their evening tournaments and the big South African next to me (50s or 60s, LAG, drunk) was constantly flashing his cards pretty obviously. I said something to him specifically a few times that he was making it easy to see his cards and he laughed it off. The dealer heard but didn’t affirm what I was saying.

    Next time he flashes those babies I’ll show him, I thought.

    A few hands later, he has Q-4 off, I have J-9 Suited. I have 20K, he has about 25K.

    Board comes A-K-2. He bets 2000, I raise to 4000. He calls.

    Turn comes 7. He bets 3000, I raise to 9000 praying he gets off his hand. He calls.

    River comes A. He checks, finally giving up.

    I shove all-in.

    He insta calls and immediately turns over his hand. Q-4 off suit.

    “No pair,” the dealer says and looks at me.

    I sheepishly muck my hand face-down and stand up to leave.

    The South African lets out this bellowing laugh and says he though his 4 was an Ace but regardless American boys are out of their league here in Johannesburg.

    The moral of the story is don’t assume that knowing another player’s holding intrinsically gives you an advantage.

    Here’s a chip porn pic from a cash session at Montecasino another time I went. I always thought the man beside the dealer would have made an awesome Bond villain.

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  10. TRN

    TRN Poker Snob

    Feb 13, 2011
    Table 271, Seat 2
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    It's a small stakes drunk social game... I wouldn't over analyze. If it was a big tournament or higher stakes game, maybe the feeling would be different... Short answer from me ;)
    Work Hard / Play Harder!
  11. undathesea

    undathesea Grandissimo

    Feb 26, 2013
    Washington D.C.
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    I think you're okay taking his money. You gave him plenty of warnings. And, just because the moron next to you shows you his cards doesn't mean you should fold a playable hand. Especially when there are others paying to see a flop. Especially if you're playing somewhat tight and not seeing many flops.

    And, it sounds like he was so drunk, someone was going to get his money if it hadn't been you. In that case, you may as well have been the benefactor. Others wouldn't have been so kind to him.
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