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Table Games In blackjack, what is better for the house

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Nolablackjack, Feb 15, 2014.

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  1. Nolablackjack

    Nolablackjack Tourist

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    ....hit S17 or 6/5 BJ payouts.
     
  2. HuskerBB

    HuskerBB Low-Roller

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    6/5 vs. 3/2 is a much bigger change for the house than hitting or standing on a soft 17. Hitting a soft 17 increases the house edge around .2%. 6/5 vs. 3/2 increases the house edge by about 1.3%
     
  3. jdvegas

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    Here are the exact numbers from Wizard of Odds - there is a table mid-way down the page with the impact of various rule changes.

    Dealer hits on soft 17 -0.22%
    Blackjack pays 6-5 -1.39%​

    You can also use their calculator to get the HA on any combo of rules.
     
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    This is why when the casinos started changing over to H17 I didn't throw much of a fit. The change is pretty small and won't affect the casual BJ player much. The change to 6/5 is one that really affects all Bj players and can really dampen the amount of play time you see on a vacation.
     
  5. OnTheHorizon

    OnTheHorizon Low-Roller

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    That is why I started to decrease my BJ play and increase playing poker and craps.

    The reason I hardly play BJ anymore is because of lack of deck penetration -- most casinos (downtown anyways) only penetrate about 50-60% of the decks in play. And quite a few casinos started using the continuous shuffle machines -- both of these truly decrease the player's advantage.
     
  6. HuskerBB

    HuskerBB Low-Roller

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    To be clear penetration and CSM's are only a disadvantage for players who count cards. I don't know why it works out mathematically but I have read that independent of counting CSM's slightly decrease the house edge. That said, I don't like to play at CSM tables regardless of the counting issue.
     
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    if I understand it right, it's because basic strategy is really the most accurate with a full deck. After you start to discard the high or low cards technically BS should change but non counters don't adjust anything. With the CSM you're always playing with a full deck so BS is always the proper play.

    The only disadvantage to the CSM (for the non counter) is the speed of play. You can play a lot more hands an hour since they're is no break for shuffling.
     
  8. merlin

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    Keep in mind that playing 6/5 every single blackjack you get cost you real countable money, playing at a hs17 table may or may not cost you money. Depending on speed of play and how many players at the table you will likely get several BJ's per hour, in the course of a 3 or 4 day trip and your avg bet it would likely cost at least $100(probably $200 or more) per trip to play at a 6/5 table.
     
  9. finsfanscott

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    My understanding is that there are fewer decks used in the CSM games, typically CSM games are loaded with 4 decks, v. 6 or 8 decks for a shoe game. The fewer the decks, the better for the (non counting) player.
     
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