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I'm still unsure about minimum raising in poker.

Discussion in 'The Poker Room' started by Mattwall, Jul 3, 2016.

  1. Mattwall

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    I've read so much but I still don't get it.

    Let's say the game is 1/2. If the call is $4 can I raise to 6$ or must is be double of the current bet or raise?

    So call is $4. I raise to $8, the next position can only raise to $16 (double $8).

    Sorry it's so beginner but I;m getting frustrated.
     
  2. CALELLA

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    if it's no limit poker then you can reraise whatever you want, though the original raise must be double the bb, ie 4 bucks.

    In your example above the call is only $2 not $4. Different scenario for Limit poker.
     
  3. vegas7979

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    It sounds like your talking about 4/8 limit poker with 1/2 blinds. If that's the game than pre-flop to play you would need to call $4 if you wanted to raise you would have to make it $8 if someone wanted to re-raise they would have to make it $12. On the flop the bet would still be $4 and raises would be just like pre-flop. On the turn and the river the bet would change to $8 and raiser would have to make it $16 and re-raiser would then go to $24 and so on.

    Hope that helps.
     
  4. Mattwall

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    So the raises in limit poker are in increments of the BB? Could I raise 2BB I.E. go from a call of $4 to a raise of $12?
     
  5. dhlamar

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    You would have to check with the casino you are playing with because some have differ
    The basic rule is double the bet but check with the casino you are playing at because some of them have different rules. Its not a big deal because if you do raise to little someone at the table will let you know before the dealer has a chance to inform you!
     
  6. danny8235

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    You can not raise from $4 to $12 only to $8
     
  7. vegas7979

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    The standard limit game setup for a 4-8 limit game would have 2-4 blinds pre-flop, and on the flop the bet is $4 if you wanted to raise you could only raise 1 unit of the max bet at the time which is $4 so you would raise it to $8. If the person after you wanted to raise again they could only raise one unit again adding $4 to your bet of $8 to make it $12. On the turn and river the bet changes to $8 so a raise would add 1 unit or 8 more dollars making it $16.

    Keep in mind that the game may be 4-8 but the blinds are only 1-2 which may confuse you a little..if your in vegas try out the flamingo they have a 2-4 limit game that you can play for fun and will help you to get the hang of it.
     
  8. dhlamar

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    In NL Poker you can raise to whatever your stack size is but the minimum you could raise is double.
     
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    In No Limit Hold Em, the general assumption is that the minimum you can raise is double the previous bet, but that's actually not the case. The minimum raise is the amount of the previous raise on top of the last bet. So, if the game is $1/$2 NL, the minimum bet amount that constitutes a raise, pre-flop, if you're the first to act, is $4. So far, so straightforward. If that raise has already been made before action gets to you, then the minimum bet that constitutes a 3-bet raise is $6. That's the amount of the previous raise ($4 - $2 =$2) on top of the previous bet ($4 + $2 = $6). Of course, this is usually academic since such a small three bet achieves little other than bloating the pot and encouraging more calls behind you.

    This becomes more relevant in later streets and in later stages of a game, particularly when trying to calculate whether an all-in three bet re-opens the action. Let me illustrate what I mean:

    On the turn, player A bets 100. Player B raises to 200. Player C declares all in. If Player C has 299 or less, that's an under-raise to Player B's bet. Player A can re- raise if he wishes, but If A calls, B can only call as well, since his action has not been legitimately raised.

    If Player C has 300 or more, they have made a raise of B's bet so action is open to both A and B. That fact will very likely influence A's decision.

    Sorry if I have complicated the explanation, but it's better if you have the full story rather than assuming that a raise is always double the previous bet.
     
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    "if it's no limit poker then you can reraise whatever you want, though the original raise must be double the bb, ie 4 bucks."

    Another misconception. The initial bet (not called a raise at this point), must only be at least the BB or ANY amount more.
    Raises AFTER the initial bet must be at least double the amount over the BB or raise amount after that.

    For instance, if I am first to act & blinds are $100/200. I can bet $300. A raise in this instance must be at least $100 more (double amount I bet over BB).

    This is rare that you see it. Because people are so accustomed to raising double BB they assume initial bet must be at least that.
     
  11. dhlamar

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    LOL I hope this clears things up for you!!!!!! :poke:
     
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    If the game is 1-2 No Limit then, assuming no one has raised before you, the call is $2. The minimum raise you can make is a $2 raise, the size of the big blind, so you make it $4. People will say, make is $4. Let's say a person makes a minimum raise, a $2 raise above the call to $4, before you. If you choose to raise then your minimum reraise must be at least a $2, to $6. The opening raise must be at least the size of the big blind. A re-raise must be at least the size of the previous raise. This is not necessarily the optimal betting size, but it is the minimum.

    In KKB's example of a 100-200 game then the call is $200 and the minimum raise is $400, not $300.
     
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    This disagrees with "Robert's Rules of Poker" (Sect. 14.3 of "No Limit Rules"). The point is mostly moot, however, because any player raising less than 2 times the big blind doesn't belong in any live/online poker game, imo.
     
  14. KKB

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    Tring--I cannot argue with you about what is the POINT of making an initial bet less than double the big blind. (of course, I am of the belief why bother raising only double the big blind?)
    I have not played everywhere, but most Vegas poker rooms. And as I said, this has happened RARELY but ironically it came up on my trip last month to Vegas in a discussion at the TI poker table. At another poker room a guy had observed someone trying to bet something less than double BB. He was told by dealer it had to be double BB. The consensus at the table (including the dealer; and there was another dealer playing) was that the initial bet at a table could be any amount over BB.
    As we all know, poker rooms can interpret differently.
     
  15. johnvic

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    I think it's a matter of semantics, and I do hate to be anti semantic. The initial better cannot make it less than double the big blind because the initial raise must be at least 1 big blind. So you can say the raise must be at least 1 big blind or you raise it to double the big blind. It's the same thing.
     
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