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Table Games i am learning the "ways" of craps

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by lucky13, Dec 26, 2012.

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  1. lucky13

    lucky13 Low-Roller

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    i just got back from tunica and i played alot of craps and have learned a few things
    i like to be at the end of the table , not at the side if no openings i will not play
    a table can go "cold" i didnt understand this before but as i play more i get it
    if a table doesnt "feel right" again i will not play
    i like to play by myself ...yeah i like to control the dice ...one or two other players are ok , but not a full table
    i tend to throw the dice one way only , my style i guess
    i played at one table with just one other person there , and when it was my turn to roll , he would not bet ...i guess he wanted to control the dice ...
    i played a table were every number was a point number , besides seven , i liked it on the come out roll two , three, and twelve were point numbers not craps
    and eleven was also point
    i now will only very seldom play slots ....i am a table man now
     
  2. clippercfx

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    This is known as "Crapless Craps." Here is what the Wizard of Odds has to say about Crapless Craps:

    In my Ten Commandments of Gambling I advise that you avoid gimmicks, and Crapless Craps is an illustrated example. In this game the player can not lose a pass bet on the come out roll. If any number other than a 7 is rolled on the come out roll itbecomes the point. What you are giving up is the sure winnerof 11 on the come out roll. To the mathematically challengedit may seem a good deal, that you are only giving up 1 surewinner for 3 sure losers. The catch is that the probabilityof hitting a point of 2 or 12 is only 1/7, and theprobability of hitting a point of 3 or 11 is only 1/4. Sothe player is not gaining much on the 2, 3, and 12 sincethey will likely lose anyway, but is giving up a sure winneron 11 for only a 1/4 chance of winning. Overall the houseedge on the pass bet in crapless craps is 373/6930 =~5.382%.​

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  3. MikeOPensacola

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    Yeah, stay away from crapless craps if you can. Stick to pass line bets, with odds, and a come bet or two with odds. Welcome to the wonderful world of craps.....it's very volaitle, but much better than slots, and in the end much less expensive to play.....
     
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    I know crapless craps is a gimmick but it is the game I prefer to play. I think that it is considered a gimmick is because of the increased HA on the pass line bet.

    I usually just place the point and bet across the board. In Tunica they automatically buy the 2-3-4-5-9-10-11-12 at $10 without having to pay vig upfront and it has same regular payouts on 6 and 8.

    It is very volatile and you are increasing your bet because you have more numbers to bet so it can be more expensive to play but it is my favorite.
     
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    Enjoy, Lucky! Craps is the most fun game in the casino. But I must agree with everyone else: stay away from crapless craps. I've walked past that prominent crapless table they have at the GoldStrike. Can't recall if they have that variation anywhere else in Tunica. Will be down there myself this weekend, so I hope you kept the tables hot for me!
     
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    Good luck this weekend UK we have reservations for the Horseshoe Friday and Sat but I think we will have to cancel. We are going to CES on 01/06 and staying at PHO so that is kinda close.

    I know they have crapless tables at Goldstrike, Horseshoe, Roadhouse, Sams town, Harrahs, hollywood and the Fitz,
     
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    Glad you enjoyed your tunica trip, I agree with the other posters, but if that's what you want to play, enjoy it!

    I'll be at the GS this weekend myself
     
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  8. lucky13

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    thanks had a great time
    can someone please explain the concept of putting a bet behind the passline bet you have already made ...it seems this bet pays out well , or could since i seem to recall the gold strike offering something like 1000x odds?? maybe i am wrong on the odds part....
    so how do you make this bet ? after the point is made ? and how much ? twice the passline bet ? and how do you win ? if you win the point bet ? do you also win the odds bet ?
     
  9. jhpa

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    The "Odds" bet is literally the best bet in the casino. It is a good bet because the payout is equal to the liklihood of it winning. In other words, there is no house advantage. This does not mean you will win it all the time, but - in the proverbial "long run" - you will win as much as you lose on this bet. Every other bet in the casino, you will lose more than you win (in the long run).

    To bet it is simple. Once the point is set, simple place another bet behind the original pass line bet. You can put whatever amount you want, but typically you put multiples of your pass line bet as odds. So if your pass line bet is $10, you can put $10 or $20 or $30. (Actually, you could put $6 or 14 or $27....whatever you want, but must people keep it as multiples of their pass line bet.). If the pass line bet wins because the point is made, you also win the odds bet

    There is a limit set by each casino on the amount of odds you can bet. This will be on a sign on the table. If the sign says "3 times odds", the most odds you can place behind a $10 pass line bet is $30. If it says "10 times", you can place up to $100 odds. Yes, some casinos offer 100 times odds, but few people play at this level.

    Many casinos offer "3x, 4x, 5x odds". This means:
    If the point is 5 or 6, you can bet up to 5 times the pass line bet;
    If the point is 5 or 9, you can bet up to 4 times the pass line bet;
    If the point is 4 or 10, you can bet up to 3 times the pass line bet.

    The advantage of an odds bet is in the payout.
    If the point is 6 or 8, the payout is $6 for every $5 bet on odds
    If the point is 5 or 9, the payout is $1.50 for every $1 bet on odds
    If the point is 4 or 10, the payout is $2 for every $1 bet on odds

    (Note:Because of the payout, you should bet in multiple of $5 on the 6 or 8. And you if the point is 5 or 9, you should bet an even number of odds. This will make the payouts easier and keep you from losing a little money due to rounding down. Most casinos do not have 50 cent chips.)

    You can see the advantage of odds versus "placing" the number:
    If you place the 4 or 10, you would win $18 for each $10 you bet On your odds bet for the 4 and 10, you win $20 for every $10 you bet.
    If you place the 6 or 8, you would win $7 for each $6 you bet - a 16.7% premium. On your odds bet for the 6 and 8, you win $6 for every $5 you bet - a 20% premium.
     
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    Excellent post by jhpa. Just to repeat something he said a bit differently. On your odds bets you are going to get paid 6/5 if the point is 6 or 8, 3/2 if the point is 5 or 9, and paid 2/1 if the point is 4 or 10. (Your original pass line money always gets paid 1/1). So you want your bet to be in a simple multiple of those numbers. Just remember "5,even,any", meaning with 6/8 your odds should be a multiple of 5, with 5/9 any even number, and with 4/10 any number at all. If you screw these multiples up, the dealer will probably correct you without asking.

    Here is something that has worked well for me. If I'm at a $10 table I would put $25 odds on the 6/8, $20 odds on the 5/9 and $15 on the 4/10 (behind a $10 pass line bet each time). This means I'd win $40 every time my number would hit (10 on the pass and 30 on the odds).



    You can also place odds on 'Come' bets. What happens there is you place your initial bet in the 'Come' section directly in front of you (AFTER the point has already been established), and the number that is THEN rolled becomes the 'point' for that money. The dealer will move your money up to the number in a location that is 'yours' in the number box. Then just place the money you want for the odds on the table, saying 'odds on the xx'. He'll put it on top of your come bet offset so he knows how much was the original bet and how much was odds. After a while if you make a lot of come bets he'll do it without you saying anything.

    I like to make the pass line bet and two come bets, and then if one of the come bets wins, make another come bet. This way you'll have action on three different numbers and not just be waiting for a bunch rolls with nothing happening for the point to be rolled.
     
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    Good info about the odds bet. Its one of the best bets in the casino. But FYI, if you are playing in Tunica, the tables have 20x odds, not 3x4x5x (and I'm pretty certain they still have 100x odds at Horseshoe Tunica)
     
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    Another bit of info on the odds bets ...
    You can take them down (or place them) at any time during that point. Most people leave them active once in place.

    Also, if you have come bets with odds, those odds bets are "off" during new come-out rolls. So if the shooter throws a "Seven - Winner!", you would lose the original Come bet, but the dealer will return your odds bet to you. However ... if you wish, you can inform the dealer that your odds bets are "working" on the come out roll, and they would be active, like any other roll.

    Good Luck
     
  13. clippercfx

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    100x odds at Casino Royale ! ! !

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