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high speed train from la to vegas coming

Discussion in 'Getting There & Getting Around' started by paperposter, Sep 17, 2015.

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  1. paperposter

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    yes i know its been talked about for a long time but it looks like it might actualy get done now
     
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    No chance in Hell of this ever happening. No-one can afford the right-of-way needed to lay out a new rail line, and there isn't room to send any more traffic through the Cajon Pass. "230 miles" means they want to go direct, which is impossible for the foreseeable future.
     
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    Many would argue that Victorville is not Los Angeles. @ardee, I'm sure there are some big Chinese groups that are willing to spend the billions to complete this project.
     
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    It wouldn't be the first time the Chinese built a railroad in the American West.
     
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    Re-read it again with the above emphasis.

    This reads like one of those press releases dummy companies will send out from time to time to get people interested in their stock so the price goes up and they make money. I doubt there really is any real plans to make this happen.

    Think about all of the hotels/casino in Vegas that were thrown on the drawing board and never materialized. Same concept.
     
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    Oh no you didn't
     
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    I see what you did there.
     
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    Can I get anyone here to open a "book" and take bets on this happening?

    LOL!
     
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    The Bloomberg article actually states a deal has been signed, so this is more than just an exploratory partnership. This company is the real deal as they just sold a technology upgrade to boston.
    Quoting the Bloomberg article:

    "The agreement, signed days before President Xi Jinping’s state visit to the U.S., is a milestone in China’s efforts to market its high-speed rail technology in advanced economies. The country has been pushing the technology primarily in emerging markets -- often with a sales pitch from Premier Li Keqiang-- as a means to project political influence. A $567 million contract last October to supply trains for Boston’s subway system was China’s first rail-related deal in the U.S."

    So yeah the bottom line will be right of access for the rail line. NBC news was reporting a little more detail with some of the station routes, and referencing the environmental impact study.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/china-help-build-las-vegas-los-angeles-high-speed-railway-n429346
     
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    The quote from the Expresswest website in the nbc article implies that the environmental study and right of ways are already done.
     
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    ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ this! This would have to be an all new rail line, not able to use the current existing lines, and no way to buy or access all the land needed for this project to get built. Most of this area is BLM land, and no way they grant access for this, let alone the private land held in between the BLM acreage. Nice press release, but this is a no go!

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    Ha Ha, good one!
     
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    I agree. This only benefits Las Vegas. Unless Las Vegas / State of Nevada front most of the ancillary costs, no way in hell California lets this go through unless there is some huge kickback / tax incentive, etc to put up with all mess it will create on the California side. This will be 80% a California project, but LV reaps all of the spending benefits. Same reason the road from LA - Vegas has never been expanded beyond 2 lanes as there is no reason for California to spend the money on that project as it only benefits LV, but California has all the costs.
     
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    I would believe more of it if they released a statement saying they had all the land rights for the corridor needed for this project.
     
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    Why would a blended line not work for this project? E.G. use existing rail corridor for some segments and new HSR lines for other segments. Obviously smarter minds then ours have looked at this issue, since they have been talking about high speed rail deployment in CA for years now on existing lines with upgrades and NE corridor conversion of some of the Amtrak lines. I thought the Orlando to Miami line being built now is on this hybrid approach where they don't get the Japanese or Euro speed trains, but still get 125 to 168 mph lines.
     
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    THIS! If I lived in Los Angeles proper and had to drive to Victorville to catch a train to Vegas, I'd just keep driving. You're half-way there already.
     
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    The existing lines have almost no room for new route traffic as this is one of the heaviest rail corridors already for container freight coming from the L.A. docks being sent out across the U.S.

    yes, they have been talking about it for many years as it makes a "good" multi-billion $$ development project for the contractors, everyone will make a ton of money if they are the developers, but it is the logistics that have never been able to be conquered yet, and not even close in this regard to the project.
     
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    Mileage wise your only further out 80 miles from LA proper, so you still have 187 miles verses 267. But given that a large chunk of traffic is in LA. So I wonder who would be the target market then?
    You could always have a train transfer at Victorville. So this thing would have to be priced really comparatively to be a go. I am trying to figure out who the demographic is for this rail service.
     
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    Okay, maybe not half-way mileage wise, it sure feels like it. It's such a slog to do that LA-Victorville. Things open up and the rest of the drive is just VEGAS VEGAS VEGAS until you see the lights on the horizon.

    I'm not sure who the target demo is for this either. I'm sure they'd love it to be hipsters with money, but it's more likely to be the bus junket crowd who bites and I'm not sure what the price factor will do with that.

    I'd love to see high-speed rail to Vegas. I'd prefer it came from Seattle, but I'm selfish that way. :wink2: I just don't think that this one is going to be where we start.
     
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