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Slots high limit slot players - question about players cards

Discussion in 'Slots' started by trig, Jul 15, 2013.

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  1. DeMoN2318

    DeMoN2318 The DERS

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    I think you were lied to...The paybacks are allowed to change when you adjust the denomination, that falls in the "player requested the change" category.

    Calling and asking is hard to do because you have to phrase the question very carefully...Asking "is it legal to have a slot machine payout less for high rollers", obviously the answer is no. But asking "Is it legal for a machine to have the ability to change its payout schedules based on player 'input'", well depending on how the Gaming Commission employee interprets that question the answer could be either yes or no. And the big question here is whether or not inserting a players card can be considered “a request by the player”
     
  2. DeMoN2318

    DeMoN2318 The DERS

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    This makes me feel like Trig has some agenda here...

    Is he trying to get us to stop playing slots for some reason? Maybe his GM buddy has some higher agenda that Trig is in on?...

    Hmmmm...something smells fishy....



    On another note, even if Trig doesn't use his card and wins, it will prove nothing...not enough data points. I hope he does win...I hope everyone wins...


    Trig, Were you using your players card when you hit the $5k slot for $1M?
     
  3. casinoboy

    casinoboy Low-Roller

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    i am at the casino right now and when i go downstairs i will ask this question at the gaming control booth. i will try to phrase it properly and make sure they know what im asking aoubt. i will say on server based slots is the casino allowed to change the payback percentege based just on a player inserting his player card into the slot,not changing anything about the game choice or denomination.

    according to some people trig knows what he is talking about because he gambles and high amounts and gets high comps,they think that means he knows how casinos work behind the scenes and we should all believe him instead of believing facts. well i dont agree with that so will ask the experts directly.
     
  4. casinoboy

    casinoboy Low-Roller

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    sorry i was not able to ask at the gaming control booth. i did go there once but there was only a security guard who said the agent is on the floor and i could wait, come back later, or leave a request for information to be sent to me but i was going to go back but forgot until i was driving home. i was leaving fast because i lost all morning but then went on a hot streak later and won everything back plus more and i didn't want to loose it back since i am going to vegas soon.
     
  5. casinoboy

    casinoboy Low-Roller

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    did anyone find out about this yet?? i just remembered about it and i am going to the casino tonight so i can try to ask again.
     
  6. LV_Bound

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    Since you use your card you tend to get comps, right?
    So, if the machine reads your card, then tightens up its returns then in theory with the comps you get basically it equates to the expected return of the machine and how they get around the legal issues.
    So this is why when you don't use your card you do better. :wink2::wink2::stir:
     
  7. WHIVGOYTUBE

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    I cannot give you exacts, but I have read over and over again how casinos in Las Vegas have been caught cheating customers.

    Was it not in 2012 about a IP employee who was playing at the IP, won a lawsuit. He had been playing a certain type of machine over a period of time (Months), when he noticed a pattern on bonus rounds. He complained saying machine was rigged. Suites game down and said, If that's is what you think, call Gaming. He said OK, I will, and called them. Then they then got Security, tried to take his cell phone away from him and beat his ass right on the floor.

    There is a video of the beat up on youtube. Anyway, he sued and won like 6 figures. The Security Director was fired (He was the one that started the beat down). And now wait for it, wait for it...........

    Later the Gamming commission determined the Slot was ... RIGGED! As were others in the area.

    The gaming commission will never shut the big boys down, just fines, if even that. We really never know what happens behind closed doors.

    Anyway, knowing that casinos can and do cheat, I stopped using my card in 2013. But this is not Vegas, but at Tampa Hard Rock. This is an unregulated Indian Casino, so it is legal for them to cheat. And my results are:

    There has been a big change towards the positive and play is more consistent. In the past, I use my free play, followed by much of my own money, and always get clobbered.

    Now, without the card and no free play, I do not go down very much, break even, and even win now. They can have their free play, it is not worth it. :Þ

    So go ahead, and trust the Las Vegas Casino..... I do not trust anyone of them, and now I feel better about how much of my money I am willing to part with, knowing things can and do get rigged, especially in Vegas! :noangel:
     
  8. tringlomane

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    first of all there's no evidence that the casino did it on purpose or even knew anything about it. It quite possibly was just a manufacturer bug. However if they were to have done it on purpose, why wouldn't they? All the gaming commission did was make them give they guy his $50 back. So there's basically no downside on their end.
     
  10. tringlomane

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    Yeah, I the article leads me to believe it was a manufacturer flaw. Hell, they are legally allowed to set machines as low as 75%, so there isn't much point to rig them anyway.

    Which reminds me, in a couple of weeks, I am going to Monte Carlo and if their 25-play poker w/STP still "max bets" when you hit a button labeled "Bet One", they are going to hear me bitch and I will call gaming this time if they don't fix this other "manufacturer flaw". In May, I had a drunken argument over it with the slot manager. He eventually gave me $5 (my approximate loss on that hand) to shut me up.
     
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    Yeah, most definitely a bug in the software if the bonus round was a negative win.
    The lawsuit the guy won was due to the beating and nothing what so ever related to the gaming.
     
  12. Tellafriend

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    I agree. But still, what are the odds, that this one guy happens to pick the machine with the "bug?" Pretty damn slim. That said, there is NO WAY the gaming commission would allow a major to casino to cheat. NONE. Again, as raised by others, why would they need to?
     
  13. Frisky

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    Back to the original question. Yes I use my card every time I play the $25 to $100 slot machines. I usually have a casino host/hostess by my side as a small win requires a tax form and I don' t wait to have one show up and fill out the form. While they are doing that i move on to another machine and usually have the host backed up on a $100 machine filling out forms. Why do I use my card? Because it gives me comped suites, roomservice/licquor/whatever I or my wife wants. Comped dinners in the best restaurant in the casino/hotel and I can get all my family and friends comped rooms and room service plus all the stuff they want from the casino gift shop..If I don't win at one machine I move on to another. If I feel that I am not having a good night at a particular casino I move on to another in a provided limo. I have not paid for anything in a casino in years, why..... because they know who I am and why...because i use the card. If I want comps in a casino that is not my home casino I call the casino and they can check my gambling history by my card number, and will jump at the opportunity of having my wife and i visit their casino. I heard this rhetoric about cards and how the casino uses them to screw the gambler, never ever happened in my case. Bottom line: It is your $$$ if you are nor happy walk too were you are....
     
  14. DeMoN2318

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    I am sure someone is going to say "With all the money you spend gambling in order to get the comps couldn't you just pay for the comps?"

    And the answer is yes, but there is something about getting comps and free stuff that makes you feel special...it's like the saying a free meal always tastes better...well a free suite is much more comfortable than one you pay for.

    Also, you are probably going to gamble anyways...its entertainment...so why not get free stuff out of it.
     
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