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Help Deciding Between Play & Comp Values Downtown

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Txvp15, Jun 2, 2016.

  1. Txvp15

    Txvp15 Tourist

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    New member here seeking advice/opinions for approaching my play for an upcoming trip to Downtown Vegas. I'll be staying 4 days at Golden Nugget, Tues afternoon - Sat morning. My preferred plays are quarter 9/6 JOB or 8/5 BP. Based on past play, I average about 700 hands per hour and tend to play 12-16 hours of play in a 24 hour period. If my assumptions are correct, I'd be able to put in about $12k coin in Wed-Fri, with about $6-7k coin in Tues due to the afternoon arrival. MSS/Cal and Four Queens are both properties I've enjoyed playing/staying at before, and both properties have their pros/cons. They're easily my two favorite properties to play at downtown.

    Would I be best off playing at only one of the properties the first day, so that my daily average for the trip isn't weighed down at both properties due to the limited time the first day?

    Also, in reading through the posts about comps at these properties, the consensus seems to be about $5k coin in daily average for comped rooms/some food/low free play and about $10k coin in daily average for full RFB/higher free play. On the 3 main gambling days, would you split the play evenly between the 2 properties or go all in on one property? My goal is to maximize the value of future offers, as I'm mostly indifferent between the 2 properties' amenities. I feel like Four Queens has the 'better' comp rates, but the current room quality makes it more suitable for solo trips. MSS/Cal are a step up in room quality, but seem to offer less in comps for the same play. I like all food options in both properties the same.
     
  2. mwig

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    If you like playing 8/5 BP I would suggest MSS for some .25 triple play on Tues. You can easily get to the $10k level with some dedication. I would focus on one property each day and aim for $10k at each. That will get you nice offers everywhere including some food and free play at the D and MSS. 4Q doesn't do food very often because their comp accrual is so high but it will get you (most likely) $200 free play per month.

    If you are putting in long days at the D and 4Q, I would suggest the American Casino Guide. They have a double points to 500 at 4Q that more than pays the cost of the book. There is also a coupon for the D that amounts to 1% cash back on $10k of action in 24 hours. That is in addition to the normal cash and comp accrual. You won't have problems with free food but there are a couple of MSS buffet coupons that remove "asking" for food from the equation.

    Just in case you didn't know, there is nothing playable at GN at the .25 level.
     
  3. Txvp15

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    Thanks mwig! I probably should have mentioned a few more things here:
    • Our summer trips tend to include paid rooms at GN for the pool and other amenities. We travel with a large group of assorted family and friends with various levels of gambling and interests during the summer trip. And yes, GN gets $0 of our play on each of these trips because of the paytables.
    • I've purchased the ACG and plan to use the 4Q coupon. Didn't realize the D had a 1% cash back coupon, so I may consider playing there. Their "Vintage Vegas" area upstairs used to be my favorite spot to play between all of the VP choices and the Sigma Derby game. I was really bummed last year when they removed the $0.05 Loose Deuces and the $0.25 10/7 DB games about a week before we arrived for our summer trip. With all of the changes they've continued to make, I'm not sure I'd enjoy playing there as much as before.

    Is it fair to say that most casinos would value 2 $10k days over 3 $6.5-$7k days, due to the higher daily average?
     
  4. mwig

    mwig High-Roller

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    4Q seems to hit the $200/month free play if you average $8-10k per day. I used to get great offers from MSS at $10k per day but they have significantly scaled back. I can't quite figure out the D. My wife gets better offers than I do and her avg is about $6500/day. Mine is close to $10k. Not sure why the difference but we both get free rooms. She gets more food and free play.

    I think all casinos (DT and off strip) use avg/day as the basis for offers. I've been playing heavily one day per trip at 4Q. The free play has stayed intact and I rarely use their room offer. Very similar at the D. Heavy play one day and the offers are fine for my usage. I give more consistent play to MSS because I like it better over there. They seem to not like me as much as they used to but I'm working on that.

    I totally understand the appeal of the facilities at the Nugget. We stayed there on our most recent trip for the same reason.
     
  5. Txvp15

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    So it sounds like I'll need to restructure my play during the trip to maximize the avg/day. I guess the more I think about it, I do prefer playing at the Boyd casinos the most, because of the variety of casino amenities/VP games. But I do enjoy playing at the 4Q, maybe slightly less than Boyd, and I like all the food options they have to offer (aside from maybe the food court area). Hopefully their room upgrades will make staying there a more convincing option for my wife when we travel outside of summer. The D's free play offer is quite appealing, but I think they are going to have to add an additional 99%+ VP option aside from 8/5 BP to get me to bite. Again, I'm still pretty disappointed from LY's changes to the "Vintage" VP options upstairs. But I don't think its asking too much for them to add something like 9/6 JOB at the $0.25 - $1 level up there. Otherwise, the loud music throughout the casino (coming from someone in the younger end of their demographic, should mean its TOO LOUD) and the downgraded games aren't enticing enough for me to play there.

    Any thoughts on comps at the El Cortez or Downtown Grand in comparison to Boyd? El Cortez would definitely be a place to earn comps/free rooms on future solo trips, but there's lots of 99%+ VP options there. According to VPFree2, Downtown Grand now has 9/6 JOB and 8/5 BP at the $0.25 level and a 0.2% comp rate. This would be a great alternative to Golden Nugget with amenities, but I've read from many on this board that they've had a hard time getting their act together from a comp standpoint. Would hate to give them $10k+ avg/day and get nothing to show from it.
     
  6. mwig

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    I've given the Downtown Grand a couple of chances albeit at a much lower level than my norm. I've never gotten anything from them. Not even a room discount. I'm not sure how to get on their radar but I'm with you in not wanting to give them a full day of play just to find out. I have very little interest in the El Cortez. I know people love it but I just don't get it. I'll typically walk over there once a year to cash in a coupon doe free play.

    I also agree regarding the D. 8/5 BP is still a good game with the 1% cash back coupon but I only have two of those each year so other than those 2 days.... I used to play a lot of NSUD upstairs. I'm not sure if they will be adding better games. Seems like most places only make downgrades.
     
  7. BayouBengal

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    I haven't gotten any offers emailed to me from DTG but I've been able to email a host and get a room set up without much of an issue.
     
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    I actually received a mailer yesterday for DTG, two nights including weekends, 15 per day freeplay and bogo meals at S & O or the Commissary. It also listed the hosts and Marty (I think) is gone, she helped me set up our last trip.
     
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    She is on leave until September - she is the best. No fear, I do not think she is gone