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Have any Vegas casinos ever been caught cheating the player?

Discussion in 'Casino Gaming' started by Iceicecool, Mar 27, 2015.

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  1. Iceicecool

    Iceicecool Low-Roller

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    A couple months ago it was announced the many small off-strip bars in Vegas had rigged their VP machines not to give out royal flushes in the 1990's, but I was wondering if anyone knows of any large Strip casinos that have been caught cheating? I heard a story a long time ago about a casino in Nevada, possibly Reno, getting caught removing aces from a blackjack table, and it was discovered during a random audit by the gaming commission.
     
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    does switching from 3/2 Blackjack to 6/5 payout count? If so I have a long list of casinos I can name:poke:
     
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    The casino cheats nearly every time I step foot in one, and leave with less money than I walked in with.
     
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    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    THIS!
    :soapbox:
     
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    I don't know but I had a stickman at El Cortez declare no roll once when the dice bounced off and hit a player only to say "Oh never mind, seven out" when they came back on the table and landed as seven.

    The table protested and the pit boss came over and ruled in favor of the house. That's cheating in my mind because the could have just as easily stuck with the no roll call had it come up a winner and been in the right to do so. No roll is no roll. Doesn't matter what happens AFTER the call is made.
     
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    The quick answer is no...they don't need to cheat to win!
     
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    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    Actually, now that you mention this, I have seen similar 'decisions' from crap table crews...not as blatant as yours, but one was particularly bad - one die landed normally, with 3. The other landed in the chips area, and was on an edge, halfway between 4 & 5. It could literally have been called an 8, a 7 or a 'no-roll'. Should have been called a no-roll. Of course, they called "Seven Out!".
    Table was seriously pissed... about half of us left after that call.
     
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    Must have been the crew at the Paris, lol.....at Pho they would have called it an 8....Love the CRAPS there!
     
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    I think it'd be interesting to see how they call it whenever the dice land on top of each other. From stories I've read, it seems like a 50/50 split between calling a "no roll" and moving the top die to see which number the bottom die is on.
     
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    Surely you don't mean removed all Aces. No way that everyone playing would be stupid enough to not quickly notice that. One or two Aces might go un-noticed.
     
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    topcard Older than the Stardust!

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    Actually, breanna, I've played several two-deck games over the years where no aces at all came out... first time it happened, I asked the pit-critter if we could check the cut-away cards...sure enough - all 8 of them were behind the cut card.
    After that, I no longer bother asking when it happens...I just assume they're behind the cut card... probably happened to me about 5 or 6 times over the last 30 years.
     
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    Yes, that happens topcard, but if it happened again on the next shoe and the shoe after that, even the most unobservant, falling off the seat drunk would start to notice. I did a google search and couldn't find anything documented about a Nevada Casino getting caught shorting the shoe.
     
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    Quite true! If it ever happened to me two decks in a row, I'd ask for a card-count.
     
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    Don't blame you for leaving and I've been in similar situations, but like a dumb-ass I still continued to play albeit a little peeved.

    They are supposed to make their ruling based on what would happen if they removed the obstruction, which way would the die fall. I know I would have more respect for the dealers and boxman and the integrity of the casino if they indeed took the time to carefully remove the obstruction for everyone to see which way the die would fall. Of course they don't do that. :grrr:
     
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    With craps, there really ought to be some clear-cut gaming-commission type rules about this.
    I would think it would be very simple - something like: Any roll of the dice that fails to produce a clear, unambiguous number on each die rolled shall be considered a "no roll", comparable to a die or dice leaving the table or being interfered with by a non-shooting player.

    I'd be perfectly happy with that.
     
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    Venetian has been caught in the past rigging prize drawings so a favored whale would win.

    Also, while it wasn't the casino directly cheating the players, I have read a few stories of middle mgt types tampering with slot and vp machines over the years because they were afraid of losing their jobs if they didn't post better numbers.

    There have also been multiple instances of Poker room Mgrs getting very shady with jackpot monies that belong to the players.
     
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    Players of course cheat the casino. Dealers cheat the casino (either stealing from or helping players cheat). Even a member of the Gaming Control Board cheated the casinos (Ron Harris, fascinating story on how he did it and how he got caught). But I don't recall any casino themselves cheating the players.
     
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    Casinos are as honest as the day is long.


    OTOH, there's a reason I never shoot dice at the Four Queens. An employee blew the whistle on them switching dice in and that resulted in him getting fired.

    I had a dealer 'remember' that she had to burn a card after dealing me a 10 with a coupon in play. Of course I got some stiff card instead and lost the hand. I let them know what I thought and thus will never play Blackjack in Binions again.

    I think these kinds of micro-cheating are not that uncommon. If I had a dice crew change the call like the poster above, I'd walk immediately. That is totally bogus.
     
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    Vic...one more add-on... dealers will (inadvertently?) short-pay or fail to pay the players...
    Is that "cheating"?
    Probably not, so long as it was not intentional.
    But I've been at a table where I had the distinct impression that the dealer was short-paying (very drunk) players, and was doing so because that what she was told to do.
    I called her on about 4 or 5 of her 'errors'...then I colored-up and left - and suggested to the drunk players that they do the same... of course, they shrugged me off with "We're having a great time here! Why should we leave?"
     
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