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Video Poker has anyone had luck with 9/6 j or b

Discussion in 'Video Poker' started by patroyal2014, Apr 21, 2014.

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  1. patroyal2014

    patroyal2014 Tourist

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    realistically, has anyone done well with a 9/6 j or b machine? the payout is 99.54%, but that's only if the machine spits out winning hands for the bettor.
    otherwise, it's still a slot machine with a random number generator.
    my local casino has 8/5 j or b, unfortunately.
     
  2. ken2v

    ken2v This Space For Rent

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    Though I played more DDB than jacks (Terri played mostly jacks then DDB), I think all our royals came on jacks machines.
     
  3. meyers67

    meyers67 High-Roller

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    Your money will last a long time at 9/6 JOB, and if you play enough, you will hit a $4,000 royal.
     
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    DeMoN2318 The DERS

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    only if you play $1 denom :poke:
     
  5. Joe

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    Just checked my records. 16 of my wife's 27 royals were on Jacks or Better, quarters. The rest on Bonus because she likes the extra pay for the lower quads.
     
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    DeMoN2318 The DERS

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    It is SOOOO funny that this thread came up today...cuz I was thinking this exact same thing this weekend

    I was at MGM this past weekend and I was playing $1 9/6 JoB in the HL room and was getting murdered...I switched to $0.25 8/5 JoB on the regular floor and started killing it.

    So texted a fellow Vp enthusist buddy of mine and posed the questions of WTF. and he had a curious response, "The machine is 'looser' for lower denom because they can afford to pay out more often"

    Now this response blew my mind, because I didnt think VP was like slots in the fact that their "loosness" could be adjusted. I though VP was just dealing from a 52 card deck with each card having equal likelihood of appearing...

    I still dont know the answer but from my experience this past weekend...this could very well be the case
     
  7. Joe

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    Absolutely false in Las Vegas.:poke: The only way to control payout is through the paytable. One 52 card deck dealt every hand. Maybe this post and reply belongs in the men in black suits thread.:evillaugh
     
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    In the short term, yes, you can come out ahead playing JoB. As to "doing well", that is subjective. I've walked with $3K in a weekend playing nothing but $1 JoB and considered that "doing well".

    In the long game, no. You can't beat a game that has a house advantage. You said it yourself, the return is 99.54%. The more you play, the larger that .46% becomes. Short term swings are just the variance at play. By Long game, I mean 100's of thousands of hands, not your typical trip to the casino.

    Denomination does not affect the odds in VP. You didn't do better because you changed the denomination, you did better because you kept playing. That said, don't keep playing just because you think you are due (i.e. chasing losses). You never know when the hits will come. Proper money management is key.

    Play what you are comfortable playing, never play more than you can afford, expect to lose, party when you win.

    EDIT: VP is not "just a slot machine." Slots require no skill beyond the ability to push a single button repeatedly. VP requires perfect play to achieve the maximum return. If you play it like a slot, your return will be reduced significantly.

    I said denomination does not affect the odds. While strictly true, denomination can affect the pay table, which does change the return. Lower denomination games will often have a LOWER return. Always check the pay table!
     
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    I personally have only played 9/6 JoB in Las Vegas and have never had any luck at it. Of course, it is a small sample size though. Locally the best JoB I can get is also 8/5. I have turned mostly to bonus poker now. I enjoy the extra reward for quad A's, yet still enjoy the low variance of 2-coins on a two-pair hand.
     
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    I figured it was just the curse of variance when I started to win after switching denominations and pay tables, but I had never really thought about it before...since I just assumed VP wasnt like slots.

    What I also found curious, the All Star Poker machine in the HL slot room at MGM called "Spin Poker Jacks or Better" a slot and the reels of cards spun like slots...maybe Spin Poker isnt true VP? or are the reels just designed to appeal to slot players and add some variation to the game?
     
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    Truth is, it's the other way round. The casino has the advantage of large numbers, so the math works out for them.

    They actually make more on the $.25 8/5 machines than they do on the $1 9/6 machines for the same amount of play. That's one reason there are more of the lower denom machines. That and the fact that more people play them.

    Lets say you have 2 players, each plays ~ 500 hands per hour. One plays 8/5 @ $.25, the other plays 9/6 @ $1. Multiply this times 100's or 1000's of players to remove the variance. In a perfect world (for the players) the house makes ~$17.50 an hour on the $.25 8/5 game, but only ~$11.50 an hour on the $1 9/6 game. The house probably makes more than that since a) most players aren't perfect and b) many players go bust before the math works out for them.

    In your case, the lower denom machine is actually "tighter", because of the pay table.

    It's all just MATH.

    Spin Poker... Don't have much experience with that. It is logically different from a standard triple play in that all the cards on the screen come from a single deck and you can play up to nine lines. My understanding is that it does not change the odds, but the number of lines affects the variance. More lines, more variance.
     
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    I know the math...

    The whole point about "tighter" vs "looser" was whether or not VP hand results can be manipulated similar to those of slots.

    I didnt think they could, but my buddies comment made me realize I had never really thought about it like that.

    I know they are not like slots and the HA difference is strictly from the pay table...its all 5 card draw with each card having equal chances of being dealt.


    I think my buddies whole point was that at the lower demonination (assuming the "payback" could be manipulated like slots) the casino can afford to pay out more small wins...so the game seems looser...

    but in reality my experience was just variance (or luck)


    Also, "loosness" is not really defined by hourly lose...its more about frequency of hits. The $1 game could go several hands without hitting anything and then drop a full house on you this would make the machine seem "tight", where as the $0.25 game could drop a pair or two pair every other hand and not many larger hands...this would make the $0.25 machine seem "looser"
     
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    I define "loose" as a game with a high return and preferably a low variance. But that's beside the point.

    What I didn't catch before was that the HL JoB was actually Spin poker. Should have since I don't recall ever seeing straight up 9/6 JoB at MGM.

    I don't know much about Spin Poker, but my understanding is that it has a much higher variance than regular JoB. That could definitely make it feel tighter.

    Was the $.25 game also spin?
     
  15. tringlomane

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    Well what your buddy is describing could be programmed into a VP machine, but to do so would be illegal in Nevada and a vast majority of other casino states. Nearly all states mandate that video poker must come from a random deck with cards having equal likelihood of appearing. This of course makes the paytable the basis of the game's "looseness".

    Now in the short term if you hit 3 quads in 500 hands on the 8/5 machine but go thru a 500 hand quad drought on the 9/6 machine sure the 8/5 JoB will seem looser, but that's just luck.

    The reason why people question if they do well on 9/6 JoB is also because to get a really big, satisfying win, you really need to hit the royal. If you play DDB, 4 Aces in a short session may do the trick. Of course you suffer bigger losses when things go bad in DDB too.

    As far as spin poker goes, the hands display like slot machine lines, but all the deal and draw cards are still random and equally likely to appear. So as AllNetDad said, the return is the same as standard 9/6 JoB, but the variance is different because cards are shared among multiple hands.
     
  16. Kickin

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    No, I haven't had any luck with 9/6 JoB. But I feel as if I have to keep playing it until that changes. After all, I'm due!
     
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    I played some shitty pay tables before learning more about VP here and at VP Free. Over the past few years, I try to stick with 9/6 JOB, but have played 9/5 JOB staying on CET comps. My $0.25 vs. $1 split is about 60% quarter play vs. 40% dollar play. Both royals were on non premium machines, but fortunately at the dollar level.

    I played the 8/5 progressive because of the $700+ addition to the RSF pot while walking through Aria for the first time, and fortunately hit. I played the 9/5 game because I was staying at PHo on a tournament comp, and this was the best machine under $5. I forgot the first RSF was 8/5, the normal payout I played on the Strip (Bellagio, other casinos) when first starting VP play (BJ became very boring).

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    While 9/6 will keep you in the game longer, and quarter play will keep you in the game longer, my good fortune allowed me to hit on machine with sub-prime payouts. Even though I have spent a combined few months worth of time playing 9/6 over a dozen trips at 4 Queens, LVH, Red Rock, MSS and The Cal, I have never hit a RSF playing FP JOB. Dumb luck sometimes beats skill and odds, but at the end of the day, I'll always take my chances with a 9/6 machine over a 9/5 or 8/5 machine. I've also hit both RSFs over MLK weekend, despite the fact I've only had two Vegas trips ever during this weekend (Happy MLK day to me :thumbsup:). Coincidence, likely but I'm more inclined to schedule for a three-peat over the next year or two.

    I prefer 9/6 JOB over most games because I am in Vegas for a short period of time and I like the low variance and lower risk of bankroll (though you can blow through plenty if you don't walk when things are going poorly). With free play and comps, you do OK sticking with this game. 10/7 DB and FPDW are even better, though comps are limited on these machines and the variance is far greater. For short term Vegas trips, JOB seems to work best for me.
     
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    My advice is to switch over to the positive expectation games unless you're dead set against gambling downtown or off the strip.

    Downtown has a ton of options for 10/7 DB -100.17 and there are still casinos off the strip that offer FP Dueces at the quarter level. (Palms)

    I have as many winning trips as losing ones because I stick to the full pay, with the exception of short trips to the bar top VP for better drink service.
     
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    ...said every gambler ever.

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    I was only playing a single line (5 credit) on the Spin Poker...so it was basically just normal JoB.

    The $0.25 was just a regular Game King machine, not Spin Poker
     
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