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Harrah's Cherokee Trip Report (Cherokee, NC)

Discussion in 'Non-Vegas Trip Reports' started by WrongWayWade, Dec 20, 2012.

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  1. WrongWayWade

    WrongWayWade VIP Whale

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    My Trip Report

    WARNING: This contains voodoo math regarding progression betting!

    Just a brief trip report about a 4-day trip to Harrah's Cherokee Casino in North Carolina.

    They've added live table games at this casino this August and everything was in full action when I got there. It is a very large casino anyway with slot machines as far as the eye can see. They've added a big section of live table games as well. There are 8 roulette wheels, 8 craps tables, 8 3-Card-Poker tables, 2 Let-It-Ride, 4 live Baccarat tables (back in the HL area) and 32 blackjack tables. There are also 12 blackjack tables in the HL area and it looks like they are building a 'Diamond Lounge' area with 12 more high-limit blackjack tables. On a Sunday night 90% of all tables were open.

    All the blackjack is identical, high-limit or regular: H17, 6-deck shoes, penetration about 1.5 decks (but variable by dealer), DAS, SPL4, NRSA, NSUR. At all hours there are $15 and $25 limit tables in the main casino and $50 and $100 in the high-limit salon. There were no side bets on the blackjack tables. I barely looked but I think the Roulette was $10 limit, and I'm guessing the the other carnival games were $5. There were always a couple $10 craps tables and sometimes $25 craps (10x odds, only pay the vig on the win when buying the 4/10, 2x,2x on the field). Baccarat (mini/7 seats) was $25 limit with sometimes a $50 table as well. Baccarat had the Dragon Bonus side bet.

    I got a basic room and it was very large with a sofa and coffee table and a big 2-part bathroom; 45-inch TV with REAL HD on most channels (a big surprise; I'm amazed how often in hotels they put in nice HD TVs and never spring for the HD programming). The whole casino is done in tans and browns and had a rather modern motif, reminding me of Aria in some ways. There was a pretty good buffet, (no crab legs), a good food court and a Paula Dean's, Ruth's Chris Steaks and a Brio as the big restaurants. I sat in the Sports bar for the Falcons game and the chili-cheese nachos were cheap and plentiful. I over-ate at the buffet with the Chinese food (OK sushi and soup) and good comfort foods (they actually have a big sign that said 'Comfort' over that section), prime rib, fried chicken and 4 different barbeque selections. Not bad; $23 for dinner. I also had a combo meal for $50 at Ruth's Chris; (salad, side, steak and dessert), the ribeye and mushrooms were outstanding. This is a CET property so your Total Rewards card is in play and you can use comps like any other Ceasars property. $5 cash through the slot machines gets you 1 point, and 1 hour of $15 blackjack was worth something like 60 points.

    I had some good success at Baccarat using the D'Alembert progression which goes like this. Start at $60 and every time you lose make your next bet $20 larger. Every time you win make your next bet $20 smaller. If you're down to $40 and win again just stay there. If your win/loss pattern is choppy, you can win much more than just flat betting, especially if you finish the session with wins that get you back down to $60 or $40. The idea is that after losing you hope to win the next bet which is larger than what you just lost. I still played the 'game' where you guess patterns of banker and player streaks, but set the bets based on the last win or loss. I had three sessions of about 60 minutes each and won $330, $410 and $950. (I also hit a couple good Dragon Bonuses in each). In the $410 session I had only two more wins than losses.

    Of course, you lose your shirt on this method if the bets keep rising with a bunch of losses in a row and you don't have the cash to continue the pattern. But if you just hang in there and get a few wins, you can recoup the losses pretty quickly. Example: 7 losses = $60,$80,$100,$120,$140,$160,$180 = $840, but if you then get a streak of 6 wins ($200,$180,$160,$140,$120,$100) = $900 you've made a profit of $60 and actually lost more hands than you won. (I'm ignoring the 5% commission on banker wins). If you were to get two more wins in that series, you'd show a $200 profit, (instead of the $60 if you just flat bet). Basically each L/W or W/L sequence nets you $20, when flat betting you'd end up with zero. Also, unlike the Martingale, this method doesn't ask you to bet idiotic amounts. You can, of course, use a different starting amount and a different unit than $20 for the win/loss jump.

    Not a bad casino at all, though I wish they had Pai Gow Poker. (Some dealers said they might be trying to get that next). An enjoyable trip and you are right next to the Great Smoky Mountains NP and the Blue Ridge Parkway, so scenic drives are definitely part of the other activities available. It is the only casino in the area (other than bingo parlors), so you are kind of stuck there, but all in all, I had a good trip. It is just a 2.5 hour drive from Atlanta.
     
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  2. thecarve

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    Thanks for the info on gaming conditions, WWW. :thumbsup:

    I’ve been trying to find reliable info regarding blackjack conditions. They don’t sound too good compared to the other CET riverboat/Indian casinos I’ve been to. (Of course, they actually sound a little better than CET’s Vegas offerings.)

    Congrats on the bac wins. Pretty impressive for only a couple of hours with a starting bet of only $60.

    Now, a few questions, if you don’t mind:

    Drinks - I assume you have to pay for them? Pricey? Reasonable? Somewhere between?

    Any video poker worth playing?

    Thanks for the write up!
     
  3. WrongWayWade

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    Soft drinks/coffee are free, but you have to pay for alcohol. I think I heard someone pay $4 for a beer, but I didn't buy any myself.

    I looked at the VP and found 8/5 JOB and 8/5 DDB. I also found saw 6/5 JOB in some other machines. Lots of small machine banks with a progressive jackpot for the Royal but bad paytables. I'm guessing the VP was below average overall. And there were only 4 multi-hand machines in the whole place with bad paytables which I wanted to play but then didn't because of the payback.

    I missed that there wasn't any 2-deck blackjack, but they are obviously trying to simplify the dealer training by keeping the rules and the procedures the same everywhere. The craps dealers were surprsingly good, however, at least at my table. Some of the new BJ dealers were pretty slow and clumsy at times.
     
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    Unless they've since changed it, you can get crab legs on the buffet at Paula Deen's. I don't remember if they were doing them every night when we were there or only some nights but it was a nice little buffet.
     
  5. BruceinGa

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    We just returned from a 2 1/2 day stay at Cherokee. I'm hooked on the Pot O Gold video blackjack, playing them 100% of the time.
    My wife played slots and the bj tables for awhile.
    I use a progression type of bet also, starting with the minimum of $2 and on a win will increase $2, up to a max of $10 (I'm not a big better). On a loss I return to $2. If I lose 4 consecutive hands I move to another machine or quit.
    Tuesday evening I played for about 45 minutes, losing $65. Wednesday I won $274, playing about 4 hrs and Thursday morning I played for 20 minutes, winning $51.
    I'm amazed at the winning streaks that occur, sometimes as many as 15 hands without a loss. (a couple of pushes)
    During the past year we have made around 8 trips there, with losing only one trip. Some times I didn't win much but with free rooms it make for an enjoyable trip.
    WWW, we live in Marietta, Ga.
     
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    Really awesome report, WWW.

    I'd sure love to hit this spot sometime, and might do that this Fall.

    Sounds like they don't do cheaper minimums on craps tables though which is a bummer. I don't mind $10 min at BJ but its nicer to find $5 at craps.

    Also I'm very surprised Paula Deen set up out there. I enjoy the buffet in Tunica so ill prolly check that one too.

    Seems this place is huge and is doing well.
    Thanks for writing this up with the superb detail!
     
  7. VegasKing

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    Thanks for the report. I live in Atlanta as well. What was the Blackjack odds? 3:2 or 6:5? Also, liked hearing the betting patterns that people test out. That is a variation of D'Alembert. Will have to check out Cherokee now that they have table games.
     
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