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Hand pays on not your card?

Discussion in 'Casino Gaming' started by phantomfj, Jan 22, 2016.

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  1. phantomfj

    phantomfj Low-Roller

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    This is particularly aimed at Canadians because of the mandatory tax paid on hand pays..........How do you handle it if you are playing with your partner's loyalty card and happen to hit a hand pay? Or do the casinos even care?
     
  2. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    The care about who is sitting in the seat.

    As to how much they would go back and go make SURE the right person was playing.

    I have (by mistake) used my wifes card when hitting a hand pay, but gave them mine when they showed up. No problem.

    The "legal" or "policy" is the person in the seat. Reality might be different.
     
  3. gambler

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    I can share two examples that happened to us.

    Last year at Harrah's my husband had a hand pay while playing with my card. When the slot attendant realized he was using my card, she asked for his. My husband replied that it was in his room and she didn't want to wait for him to go get it. Nor did she want to wait while he got a new card from the player's club. She finally decided she could pay it out if the tax receipt was in my name. I'm sure my husband could have pushed the issue but since it really didn't matter to us, we just went along with it to speed things up. The only problem I see in that solution is that I have to put up with my husband regularly reminding me that I owe him $1200 :grrr: With the way the IRS is processing refunds, I'll be hearing this for another 18 months before the refund comes in!

    Like I say, I'm sure hubs could have insisted on the pay out because the player's card has nothing to do with it. I mean, what if I wasn't there playing with him? What if the previous player had left his card in the machine? What if someone wins and doesn't even have a player's card? Would they refuse to pay? Not very likely. I sometimes think the slot attendants just like to make it look like they're doing you a great favor in order to get a tip.

    Last week at Suncoast my husband was playing on my card and got a hand pay. The slot attendant pulled the card out and just handed it to my husband without even glancing at it. THEY must know it really has no bearing on the win or the 1042-S form. All they wanted was his driver's license.

    From what I've read on here and seen in the casino, it seems pretty common for a couple to share a card. You could also just pull out your spouses card and insert your card before the attendant comes.
     
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    wanker751 Dutch Rudder Enthusiast

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    I don't think they could refuse your jackpot but...they could cancel your points or membership in the slot club. Probably will not happen
     
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    GeorgeJ. Low-Roller

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    Do they get upset if someone gets a handpay jackpot and isn't playing with a card at all?
     
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    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    No. You need valid ID for the jackpot anyway.
     
  7. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Why would they? No requirement to play with a card.

    Meanwhile, when I hit a handpay, I just put my card and DL on the machine awaiting their arrival. Sometimes I sit a few machines away during the whole process. It is fun to see people think they can sit down and play (or maybe claim jackpot). The machine of course will not let them play. I just laugh as they try to put money into it.
     
  8. thefish2010

    thefish2010 Low-Roller

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    Under Nevada law, make no mistake about it, they must pay you the money you win (minus withholding, if applicable), period - regardless of whether there was a card in the machine or whose it was. The only issue with hand pays where casinos can get upset is if you pull the card out prior to the win. For example, if you were 4 cards to a royal flush and you pull out your card prior to moving on and you wind up hitting it. Some older tracking systems will immediately log you out and not count the win toward your win/loss for the year, which exaggerates your losses. Since many places increase freeplay mailers and other incentives based in part on actual losses, they frown upon this and players have been barred for it at some properties. Even in that case, though, the player would receive their win...refusing to pay a legitimate jackpot is grounds for termination of their gaming license.

    But if you are just playing with your significant other's card you should be fine.
     
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    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Really. Banning somebody for that? Some people pull it out for good luck. How can they BAN someone for not using their card like that?

    I am guessing somebody, somewhere got banned for that and maybe something else. But, I have some difficulty believing they actually ban folks for that reason.
     
  10. thefish2010

    thefish2010 Low-Roller

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    It has happened to people that do it repeatedly. Bob Dancer (famous video poker player) has actually written about this issue and talked about it on his radio show (which is where I heard about it). You'd be amazed at what casinos do for little to no reason, although this particular issue can cost them a fair amount of money if they base mailers on actual losses so this one actually makes sense more than most. People have also been banned for playing progressive slot machines if they consistently only play when the jackpot is high relative to where it normally is. Keep in mind that most people have no idea how to calculate when a slot machine jackpot is mathematically in their favor, as doing so is much more difficult than it is in VP. They often ban people as advantage players based on hunches and voodoo, even when the players are clueless.
     
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    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    I know that some do this and I chuckle. For example, the famous LION machine at MGM was "positive" at the end. Was it a good play?

    Another example was the recent $1.5B lottery. Based on the "positive" theories, was it then a good time to play?

    By the way, I am sure some people have been banned. I also believe it is very rare. But those that do sure make sure everybody knows - LOL!

    I actually ALWAYS have my card out when the slot attendant arrives and available for them. Probably 100+ handpays over the past few years. I almost always pull it out before a bonus round starts.
     
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