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Table Games Got backed off...

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by chonglosaxon, Jul 11, 2014.

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  1. chonglosaxon

    chonglosaxon MIA

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    First time it happened to me.

    Was up pretty good for the night, 60k, and they backed me off middle shoe in DD. Colored me up and sent me on my way.

    Whats your experience in returning? How long before they recognize me next time? Should i not return and just go elsewhere?

    Anyone been backed off on the strip?
     
  2. swuulumm

    swuulumm Low-Roller

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    First of all: congrats!
     
  3. samanthaelizabeth

    samanthaelizabeth Low-Roller

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    What does that mean? "Backed off"...
     
  4. meyers67

    meyers67 High-Roller

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    Need details to answer. Where was it at? What did they say? What was your betting spread?
     
  5. chonglosaxon

    chonglosaxon MIA

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    Backed off on a 4x

    Cliff notes-We would appreciate it if you would color up for us and have a nice evening. Thanks
     
  6. pphold

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    That sucks I have not been backed off before. I was told I could not raised the table limits once I started playing.

    Funny thing was I was on a hot streak and Pit Boss said you can be table max when you want but I get to shuffle anytime I want. I told him to raise the table Max to what I want and he can shuffle after every hand.


    He made a few calls and came back and said no. The table max is posted. I was the only one playing single deck. with a 3-2 bj. This was Downtown. ( only ones offering 3-2 blackjack on single deck. I was betting 1k a hand and wanted to bet $5k a hand.

    Was this on the strip or Downtown?


    The Strip would have no problem with $5k or $10k but only offerrd 6-5 on single deck.
     
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  7. Vegas Lover

    Vegas Lover Low-Roller

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    Yeah that happened to me once at Casino Royale... I was flat betting quarters & they asked me to back down to nickels.... bazzzingaaaa ....Lol ... Sad part is Casino Royale does sweat the money when you have a lot on the craps table during a hot roll.
     
  8. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    What were the details? Where were you at? What time of day? Betting level?
     
  9. Kickin

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    Does getting backed off for general hygiene issues count?

    But seriously if you're counting and you're up 60k wouldn't you expect it? At that level they will be closely watching your play whether you're counting or not so how would you cover yourself?
     
  10. dfalk

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    When they tell you that you can no longer play black jack at the casino, usually happens if they think you are counting cards.
     
  11. Someone

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    it means the casino tells you that you can no longer play that game and they give you no reason why.....sometimes they will "welcome" you to go play some other game or a slot machine, but sometimes they will also ask you to leave the casino

    generally it is when you are winning too much and they have no proof that you are cheating most likely because you are not cheating......if they suspected you of cheating they would take different measures including taking you into security and attempting to withhold your winnings from you

    when you are backed off they have no proof and really no suspicions that you are doing anything wrong other than counting cards at blackjack......in Las Vegas casinos are allowed to ask you to stop playing and leave if they suspect you are counting cards even though that is not cheating.....in Atlantic City they are NOT allowed to ask you to leave if they suspect you are counting cards because card counting is not using an unfair advantage other than your mental skills and technique

    but they can make it difficult for you by shuffling the cards often, sending in employees to aggressively ask you if you would like something to drink or eat hoping to get your mind off the count and break your concentration, having people sit next to you and do stupid things like play terribly or make noise or just be stupid, have "host" come introduce themselves over and over until you either break or give up and leave to somewhere else
     
  12. CalifLovesVegas

    CalifLovesVegas Low-Roller

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    More info., hotel etc., would be interesting.

    Never been backed off here, cuz I don't play tables.
    But I have had a machine taken out after hitting it.
    Its happened a couple times......
    Last time was at Wynn. Hit a RF dollars, and the next day machine was Gone........
     
  13. flamingogo

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    PLaying 1-7 DD, ESPECIALLY at that level, you must play hit and run, unless you have an unbelievable way of disguising your play. I wouldnt go back for a while. And when i do, different shift.
     
  14. tringlomane

    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    So this.

    I would love the detailed story about how OP got up 60k. Counting or not.
     
  15. dmr

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    Starting with 100k, perhaps? :) :) :) {ducking, running, looking for a place to hide} :)

    Seriously, that level of play is waaayyyy outa my league.
     
  16. fadetheseven

    fadetheseven High-Roller

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    I have only a basic understanding of counting but does it work on a DD game? I'd think the deck gets reshuffled so often that there would be relatively few opportunities to get to advantageous counts.
     
  17. Someone

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    it would work best in a game with the fewest decks possible

    it is much easier to track the count and when the count gets to a point that you are either upping your bet greatly or you are lowing your bet significantly you are much more likely to have the anticipated outcome of the remaining hands and less likely to have one of the last face card or two or the last small cards (depending on what place you are in the count) pop up

    if you have 8 aces VS 32 aces you have a much easier time knowing how many aces have been played and if you have 32 face cards and 10s VS 80 you have a much easier time anticipating that you have run out of many of those and there will be fewer surprises

    even with multiple decks it would be very rare that the count reached an extremely high or low level to give you just massive confidence in what would most likely be next to happen and even then if you really go "all in" in a major way and one of the last few cards you did not want shows up that can be a big hit to the bankroll and the you have to keep playing large with that large count to get even and then ahead again.....all with the risk that things could still go against you just because of the vast numbers of small and high cards total
     
  18. dutchvelvet

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    You are accurately explaining the true count concept. Basically the fewer decks, the more often the count changes in a meaningful way. You always need to know how many decks roughly are left, as that dictates the actual number. Now, the flip side of that is when paying shoe games a positive or negative count lasts 3 times longer. Accordingly, it can be harder to pick up someone spreading bets on a shoe game (your bets are less volatile, more consistent, and less obviously tied to the last few hands).

    Going back to OP, looks like you have confirmation that you were correctly adjusting to the count. I personally wouldn't try doing itvat that casino for a while.
     
  19. merlin

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    sorry misread the posts
     
  20. Malibugolfer

    Malibugolfer High-Roller

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    I would very much appreciate more info. What casino and what time of day.
    What were you betting per unit?
     
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