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General question for bellagio comp

Discussion in 'Comps' started by littlepiggie, Nov 22, 2013.

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  1. littlepiggie

    littlepiggie VIP Whale

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    I requested my slot host tell me how much my comp room rate was so i could figure out how much play i would need to provide before i received additional comps. She said 100-125 and hour at table games or 6k a day in slot points. I followed up with how much coin thru to earn points. She responds with 3 dollars in equals 1 points on slots. Does anyone think 18k coin in on standard slots is a bit much?

    If u figure 8 percent hold that is 1440 theo loss. Put 30 percent of theo as comp and that is 432 dollars.
    If she is talking BJ 125*60 an hour is 7500 risked and hour so 30k for four hours and hold 2 percent for theo loss your at 600 theoretical loss and comp 30 percent ur at 180. Thoae are drastically different.

    Is this correct?
     
  2. UKFanatic

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    I am not a slots player, so I cannot comment on the hold there or the coin in, but I think the comps you should receive is actually 40% of theo. But part of that goes into primary comps (which they use to comp your room up front) and part of it goes toward EC. So the info you were given may not be that far off
     
  3. Kickin

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    You're right, there is a drastic difference. I'd say even greater than what you've stated between those two games (for tables they typically base it on 4 hours of play).

    The 6k in slot points is simply too high, even for Bellagio. That is 60k TCs per day. That would mean any slot player would almost need to earn platinum on a single 3 day trip just to get a room comp and nothing else.

    That doesn't seem right. Maybe she misspoke and meant 6k coin-in per day, though that may be a little low. But not ridiculously low.
     
  4. littlepiggie

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    She was very specific. It is quite confusing.
     
  5. Kickin

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    Well, here's a point of reference. thecarve posted some really useful info from his host at Wynn about the level of play needed there for comps. A regular Tower Suite room was 4000 points or $200/hand for 4 hours. Wynn gives you 1 point for $1.50 coin-in on slots so that's $6000 coin-in.

    So a Tower Suite room at Wynn is $6000 coin-in and you need 3x that for a regular room at Bellagio? I don't buy it. If she actually meant 6k coin-in it would be on par with Wynn, which makes a lot more sense.

    Here's thecarve's post that I'm referencing: http://www.vegasmessageboard.com/forums/showpost.php?p=795165&postcount=4
     
  6. littlepiggie

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    I agree kickin but she was very specific. Never makes sense. I just checked my email from cosmo and it was on par with wynn. 2500-4k points. I think it is 1.50 a points. Makes sense. 200 at bj and 350 at dice as odds count
     
  7. bjpcyclone

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    Keep in mind the # of slots that you actually get 1 pt for every $3 coin-in keep dwindling. "Specialty" slots and video poker require $10 coin-in to earn 1 pt.

    So $60k coin-in per day for video poker players seems very, very high. But I'm not at the Bellagio-level either.
     
  8. UKFanatic

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    Let this thread be my last ever effort to chime in on comps for slot play, lol.
     
  9. littlepiggie

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    Thanks for the info. I responded to mg host with my assumptions of earned comps on 6n points. I told her 6k points a day on normal slots would be 500 i. Comps. I asked if a standard room was 500.
     
  10. littlepiggie

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    Here is the correspondence
    From Me- No response yet

    Bellagio Host- What you are saying then is 18k coin in on a slot. In theory slots have an 8-10 percent hold on for lower demoninations. This would put 18k with an 8 percent hold(I think it is higher at penny and nickel slots) at 1440 theoretical loss. Most casinos comp 40 percent of theoretical which would be 576 dollars in comp. I cannot understand how it would require 576 dollars of comp to earn a free room. So you are saying I must earn 576 dollars in comp a day just to cover a room which is pretty insane. I am curious as to your feedback on this question. I really appreciate your help with understanding this.

    On Friday, November 22, 2013 1:42 AM, Bellagio Host wrote:
    Earn 1 point for every $3.00 coin-in on slots and 1 point for $10 coin-in on video poker.
    Thank you
    Executive Slot HostI Bellagio
    Toll Free 888.987.7887 Bellagio has earned the prestigious AAA Five Diamond Award for 2013
    ________________________________________
    From: little piggie
    Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 06:21 PM
    To: Bellagio host
    Subject: Re: RE: Question on offers
    How much coin in as the points earned on slots vary.
    Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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    From:Bellagio Host
    To: little piggie
    Subject: RE: Question on offers
    Sent: Thu, Nov 21, 2013 1:29:06 AM
    Hello Little Piggie
    For a room comp in slots you have to do 6,000 points per day, video poker is about 10,000 per day points. Tables will be $125-150 minimum bet and 4hr play.
    Executive Slot HostI Bellagio
    Toll Free 888.987.7887 IBellagio has earned the prestigious AAA Five Diamond Award for 2013
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    From: Little Piggie
    Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 08:29 PM
    To: Bellagio Host
    Subject: Re: Question on offers
    Bellagio host- Again thanks for taking care of me.I have a question. I like to research comps and read up on theoertical loss and percentage of loss that a person is comped. I know I have to play off my up front comp before I get more. Can you tell me the value of my room and also confirm that I need to play off the 150 food and 100 fp in whole? This is really interesting to me and the value they give the room is an unknown. I know there are casino rates and rates you can get on the website. I have heard varying stories of what a comp room is booked at. Your help is greatly appreciated.
     
  11. meyers67

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    It's probably easier to get a new host, or change hotels than to argue your point.

    Or perhaps just use the corporate offers.
     
  12. dvandentop

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    Easier to just pay for room at that point if they need that much coin in wtf
     
  13. littlepiggie

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    Room is already comped. I have 3 nights free and 100 FP and 150 food credit. I was just curious what it takes to earn more. She then said to earn just the room is 18k
     
  14. littlepiggie

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    Here is the response when I questioned her criteria in slot play saying 18k coin in per a day was way to high.



    On Monday, November 25, 2013 1:29 AM, "slot host wrote:
    Hello little piggie,

    We comp 40 percent of theoretical in table play and 20 percent theoretical in slot play. Bellagio’s criteria is higher compare to other properties on the strip.


    slot host
    Executive Slot Host I Bellagio
    Toll Free 888.987.7887
    Bellagio has earned the prestigious AAA Five Diamond Award for 2013
     
  15. Chuck2009x

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    Well, that does explain it.

    Bellagio's room rates are high and they don't run hardly any promos. They must be doing well, because $4,000 - $5,000 coin in a day on slots will get you a standard room at any other MGM property.
     
  16. littlepiggie

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    She is very nice. She is honoring my 100 fp even though ig is duri g holiday shoppi g and giving me 150 food credit jnstead of buy one get one show ticket. Just frustrating that even if i play strong i could not get more.
     
  17. bjpcyclone

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    $100,000 VP coin-in per day for a free room? Holy cow.
     
  18. hillwood24

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    Seriously. The host has to be way off on this one.
     
  19. Kickin

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    Wow that is surprising! Who woulda thought they'd comp slots at a lower rate than tables?? Slot theo is so much more certain and higher margin. I'd love to hear some theories as to why they offer only half the comp rate.

    The 18k coin-in requirement still sounds high for a basic room comp even at 20%, but that does go a long way in explaining it. I agree the 100k coin-in for VP is nuts too. So you'd have to be able to earn platinum in 2 days just to get a basic room comp at Bellagio? What a bunch of dicks!

    Thanks for updating with this response from your host.
     
  20. littlepiggie

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    Maybe i annoyed her and she is screwing with me. I am torn. She was helpful but the response is odd. I have trouble belueving she could be so far off.
     
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