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Gambling budget for a Casino Host?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by TxFoldEm, Apr 15, 2016.

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  1. TxFoldEm

    TxFoldEm Tourist

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    For those of you that have a casino host, what's the typical gambling budget if you don't mind me asking

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  2. spdandpwr

    spdandpwr Low-Roller

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    Would like to know the answer to this as well. I hit 950ish TCs this last trip on slots and VP alone and didn't get any Host action...
     
  3. Iceicecool

    Iceicecool Low-Roller

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    Are you asking what's the minimum amount of bankroll to get assigned a host? Or are you asking everyone who has a host to tell you what their bankroll is? The levels required to get a host are different at every casino. Tell us what casino you want a host at and we can tell you the approx. bankroll you need to receive one.
     
  4. spdandpwr

    spdandpwr Low-Roller

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    Since he's staying at Flamingo, do you happen to have that info?

    For me, I'm asking about Planet Hollywood and Ballys.

    Thanks!
     
  5. Iceicecool

    Iceicecool Low-Roller

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    No one knows exactly but these are my guesses.

    Flamingo - At least 500-1000 TC a day, or a total Tier score or more than 15K, or a loss of at least $2K a trip.
    Bally's - At least 1000 a day or a trip loss of $2,500 or more.
    PH - 1000-1500 TC per day or a trip loss of $3,000 or a cumulative TC of 40K or more.

    The above numbers should get you at least a marketing representative assigned to you. A casino host or executive casino host will be hire amounts than this, but a marketing rep will be able to book offers for you.
     
  6. 5204salty

    5204salty Newbie

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    I stay at PH and have a host there. I typically visit twice/year for 3-4 days each trip. I usually play 1-2 hour daily slots at $5-10 spin, a little VP mixed in, and 2 hours day of roulette/craps/mini bacc and BJ at $100-$200 bet. I am usually +/- 5000 for the trip, although a few have been +/- 10000.

    For that level of play I get a mid level room (think Strip Suite) and usually around $300 Free play (I can get that off Total Rewards website, although i have my host book it). I also get my room charges (excluding tips) wiped at the end of the trip, which are typically around $400-$500.

    On the 1 trip where I have asked for a bigger suite, my backend comps were reduced by a few hundred.

    I also typically have 15-20000 reward credits that get used on the backend, so some portion of the backend comp is just reward credits.

    I've always has a good experience and felt like I was treated fairly. I've never lowplayed, and I don't room charge like a maniac, so it's a predictable trip for both me and my host.
     
  7. BlacklabberMike

    BlacklabberMike VIP Whale

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    if you'd like i could PM the contact info of my host at PH and you could contact her and ask what type of play will get her attention.

    i play a LOT of .25VP and blackjack at green/black chip action
     
  8. jagdan61

    jagdan61 Low-Roller

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    very stupid question....when you say trip loss how do they know how much you lose? I typically play Craps and Roulette. The Pit Boss keeps track and notes it?
     
  9. TxFoldEm

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    Thanks for the info! Last year we went for 6 nights. Actually did a lot of gambling. Our BR was $6,000. Our loss was around $2,500. We're going again in June (for 6 nights) and our BR will be $6,000. We like to stay at Bally's, but we're meeting friends there this time and they already had a room booked at Flamingo.

    I didn't know if those that had a casino host took $5,000 or $10,000 or $20,000 for their BR. Looks like I'm on the low end of that spectrum
     
  10. VegasSchemer

    VegasSchemer Low-Roller

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    No worries about questions. Some people here might bitch that you're a newbie to comps and hosts but we all start somewhere!

    Yes, you're either tracked by your players card for slots (and its a perfect reading if your card has been properly inserted the whole time) or by the amount of money you came with and left with at the table game. For this reason, some folks try to sneak chips into their pocket if they get hot to help squeeze comps out at the end. I dunno if that really works.
     
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  11. stackinchips

    stackinchips High-Roller

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    Bankroll is really rather irrelevant in this discussion. It's your average bet, game of choice, and length of play that matters. How much you actually lose can also come into play, but it's secondary. Someone who brings 10k and plays only BJ at $100 per hand for four hours a day won't get as much as the person who brings $2k, and plays slots for $2.00/spin for four hours a day. It's all about theo.

    As for hosts, it depends on the property, but in general terms of theo:

    Low End (Think Harrahs, Excal, Flamingo, etc.): If you're generating about $2-300 a day in theo you are probably at the low end of the host spectrum. That's like a $75-100 average bet on BJ for 4 hours. So if you played longer the average could be more like $50. If you play machines, it's like $3500 in coin-in per day.

    Low Mid Level (Think Paris, PH, Tropicana): About $300-450/day in theo so about 30-50% more than the above.

    High Mid Level (Think Mirage, MB, MGM): About $500-750/day in theo

    High Level (Aria, Bellagio, Wynn, V/P): $1000/day and up.

    Those are probably about your bare minimums in those locations. Obviously if you start going off-strip downtown those numbers will change drastically.

    Perhaps a good gauge for a table player is if you go into a casino's HL room, whatever the lowest table minimum is in there, you would need to play for 4 hours at that level for a host (or half as much if you played 8 hours, etc.).
     
  12. Peachiekeehn

    Peachiekeehn High-Roller

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    We have a host at PH but my husband and I each put a minimum of 1,000 TC's on per day, sometimes 2,500.
     
  13. stackinchips

    stackinchips High-Roller

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    Yeah 950 TCs at mid level CET properties is probably what you need to earn PER DAY to get a host (not including bonus TCs).
     
  14. TrewBrew

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    I guess I have a host, the last couple of trip I had a host from PH help me out. Typically my loss per day is about $500 about $2000 per trip. Not sure of the Theo or TC would be. (one day I will try to figure it out) Only use him for the room comps though so I am a "Low Maintenance - Low Roller." I do have potential though
     
  15. cjohnson202

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    My bankroll over a 4 night trip is between $3000 - $4000 US. I earn around 1000 TC a day and play 80% slots, 20% blackjack and 3 card poker. I use Hunter as a host but have been approached by others. I'm diamond and visit twice-ish a year. All my Total Rewards credits come from Vegas.

    With that said, I'm very aware that I'm on the lower end of people who deserve a host and really, there isn't much mine can do for me. The offers he books for me are stuff I usually can find online. He has comp'd me resort fees before I was diamond and once got me a limo to the airport. He usually adds an extra day onto my reservation too (which I could do myself anyways) because I take the redeye home most times. Last trip he had no problem booking me into a suite for free despite the website wanting $150 a night.

    So yeah, there are little things a host can provide someone at my bankroll/budget but I don't NEED one for the majority of what I do in Vegas.
     
  16. stackinchips

    stackinchips High-Roller

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    Honestly that's pretty much the case with anyone, unless you have a six figure or higher CL (and you play to it). My hosts will give me as many nights as I want instead of the standard three that Mlife offers, will give me the room type and location I want, but will only give me the FP and FB I can get on my own up front. I also get VIP check in, a Limo (which they also coordinate for me) and sometimes I can "trade" part of my offer I won't use for something I will, like get rid of show tickets for an extra $100 in RC or something. It's also done all through email. Now that I type it, it sounds like a lot, but really it's pretty much just a few small things on top of what I could book myself, but it's convenient and those small extras are nice to have. They also take care of everything on the backend for me as long as I play up to the usual level (without using my Express Comps).

    I think that a lot of people hear "hosts" and immediately start thinking that hosts just throw lavish things at you to try to get you to stay at their property. Again if you're a six figure CL player that's true. However most of their players aren't whales, just solid players. They're going to have pretty tight boundaries on what they can do, but they can throw a lot of extras onto your existing offers and tweak them to make your stay a lot better. Things like VIP check in are great because you don't have a line, you have a nice lounge to wait in, and you can use it throughout your trip to grab a beer/wine/coffee/soda/juice/water when you're coming or going instead of paying or playing for one. It really doesn't cost them anything to give you that, but it's a nice perk.
     
  17. Geogran

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    I think stackinchips post hits a lot of good points regarding hosts, and mirrors my experience pretty closely, and probably a lot of other folks on here, specifically mlife.
    In my case, FP amounts are normally not negotiable, but Resort Credits and shows are almost always negotiable up front or covered on the back end. We are working with our host at our favorite place this year by taking a lesser value suite or room instead of the usual top suite offers with the understanding we will have larger back end comps on F/B and/or shows when play warrants it. We are doing this because a) we no longer need a huge suite and b) gradually reducing our gambling BR by about 25% which in and of itself will reduce comps over time. In a situation like this it's nice to have history with a host as we transition to a different level of play.

    To the OP, don't be shy about asking a host to review your play and discuss what expectations they have for future play to achieve certain comps beyond basic offers. Good luck!
     
  18. jagdan61

    jagdan61 Low-Roller

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    thanks...I actually did not realize they tracked your losses....interesting
     
  19. JR Swift

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    Surprised to see that the numbers here are so low. I will typically earn between 500 and 1000 TC's a day and would not have thought that would be any where near enough to consider contacting a host. I would assume that the Rio would be on the low end of the the CET properties as far as the kind of action they would expect? Stayed there a few times several years back and I actually like the property and the location. Lately my room offers are mediocre in Vegas because I haven't stayed in a CET property there for several years and my action, if you want to call it that, has just been dropping between $20 and $50 during an afternoon or evening casino crawl. If I spent a day at the Rio and earned around the 1000 TC level, would it be worth considering talking to a host about future stays?
     
  20. bedaniels

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    I had a host once at Monte Carlo tell me the play expectation was an average bet of $100 @ 4 hours/day, that was several years ago. I now play at Mandalay and average $200 @4-6 hours/day, my host at Mandalay hasn't said anything about low play. As others have stated my offers from the host are slightly better than what I can get on the mlife website usually a couple hundred extra in FP and/or RC.


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