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Full RFB at downtown properties

Discussion in 'Comps' started by daviddunn, Oct 24, 2015.

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  1. daviddunn

    daviddunn Newbie

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    I tried to search old threads for this information, but I was unable to find anything -- I apologize if this has been discussed in the past.

    When it comes to downtown properties like The D, Golden Gate, 4 Queens, etc., do any of you have real world experience with the betting levels or theoretical losses required for full RFB? And along this line, is there a chart or database where people with full RFB have entered their average bet and game to log this data across multiple properties in Vegas? It would be interesting to review and compare the real life data for players with full RFB.

    Thanks in advance for the insight.
     
  2. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    Never seen any data or comparison like this one. Doubt it is out there or ever would be. Most gamblers are not keen on posting for the world to see how much money they gamble
     
  3. eaglejohn

    eaglejohn High-Roller

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    would vary by individual property. if looking for comps, best to concentrate on one property or group
     
  4. SteveAC01

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    I'll offer a very rough estimate for properties like D, Golden Gate, 4 Queens.
    Assumptions:
    ---Standard room or mini-suite, two occupants
    ---One gambler, or combined action of both room occupants, applied against the folio charges
    ---Two café breakfasts per day, two decent lunches, dinners alternating between gourmet one night and nice non-gourmet the next night
    ---Most drinking in casino and not billed to room
    Theoretical required for "Self-controlled" RFB would range between $900 and $1200 per day.
    For Golden Nugget, I'd suggest you add 10-15 percent.
    For a mid-range Strip property like Paris or PlanetHo, add 10-15 percent more.
    SteveAC01
     
  5. daviddunn

    daviddunn Newbie

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    Great answer, thanks for taking the time to post it.
     
  6. TIMSPEED

    TIMSPEED !địt mẹ!

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    I can tell you what it takes to get ful RFB at Downtown Boyd...around $15k per day on video poker, or $75 average on table games x4 hours a day.
     
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    With that said - better to stay at Four Queens or D if you are a low roller? That is a HUGE discrepancy between Boyd and 4Q. I had heard 4Q comps changed lately because of their points to comp value
     
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    I don't know..but I can honetsly tell you, there's no cheaper place that I've read about, to get full RFB, than Boyd downtown (actually Sam's Town is a little less)
     
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  9. NickPapageorgio

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    The Nugget is well over 10-15% higher than the D and GG. Their comp "comp" would be TI or Trop. They've been known to be stingier than either of those properties at times as well.

    A side note... other than Boyd with their Gold Card program, I don't believe that other Fremont properties offer RFB like you would see on the strip. The bigger offers downtown will offer significant freeplay, and a suite, but still list a daily dollar amount for FC. They obviously all have RFB, but their mailers are different than the upfront MLife RFB offers.

    An example would be: "$550 slotplay, $375 food credit and a complimentary upgrade to _____ suite for 3 nights." Unless you are lowplaying them, hosts downtown tend to take care of moderate overages without difficulty.

    Nick:beer:
     
  10. PopsOLA

    PopsOLA Low-Roller

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    I can say I only really play slots ... some table games but not as much.... and I've always been offered 50-100 food credit and rooms but never true full rfb downtown. Last trip my flyer said to talk to my host about dinner, which I did and he seemed just as stumped. I think most downtown properties base rfb off play.... with some up front garaunteed credit. My theo was 350 at Plaza this last trip.... 650 previous trip.. everything was covered. They seem generous and I feel I've gotten my money's worth.
     
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    I always wonder why I get a gold card at Sam's Town and the Hawaiian booklet at MSS for similar levels of play. Especially when you consider that my average daily spend on food and beverage at Sam's would be between $100-200 and I'd be hard pressed to spend more than $75 on food and beverage at MSS.

    Mind you they changed Chefs at Billy Bob's who has eliminated the magnificent bourbon garlic sauce and changed meat suppliers (supposedly for the better) and my last meal there wouldn't have been worth the 100 dollar tab before tax for me alone IMHO.
     
  12. Ty

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    What? I believe you've been saying $10k/day for 3 days for 3 trips in a year. $15k is 50% more. (Video Poker)
     
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    We average around 10-15k per day on VP, playing on one card. The trip last week we averaged 13,100 per day for 4 gambling days. One day we only put 7k on the card, but another day we did 18k.

    Anyway, we (me) have been Emerald since the program started. I keep getting close to losing it lately, but manage to step up my play enough to retain it for another year until 10/2016.

    We get RFB, the suite & the limo and book through our host. I short played them two trips last year and our FP on the mailers dropped off completely, but our host still arranged everything as normal.

    As I've mentioned in the past, loyalty could factor into this since the limo, suite and Gold Card are all at the host's discretion. We have stayed at MSS for 18 years and have had the same host for ~12 years.
     
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    crapsguy5000 Low-Roller

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    i can only tell you what I get. I stay downtown at the Four Queens and Boyd propeties. I only play Craps and average $25.00 bets for six to eight hours a day. I also bet odds but they are not factored into the rating. I get BOGO offers at a pretty decent casino rate $30.00-$40.00 per day Sunday-Thursday and $60.00-$75.00 per day Friday and Saturday. Food credit is usually around $20.00 for the entire trip.
     
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    I seem to get better comps at The D. I played the same amount at 4Q and just got a BOGO, and The D comped me 3 nights, $25food, $25FP. And, my last trip, they took off some of the food that I charged to the room. To get that I was playing $5-$10 come/pass bets, and odds. I think The D rates odds. My host had me at about $75-$85/hand. I play about 5-6 hours a day. And, break it up with some BJ or UTH.
     
  16. TIMSPEED

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    Ty,
    If you recall, they took out the "good" Theo video poker...so I'm generalizing more play is required on lesser Theo machines.
     
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