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Full Kill and Half Kill ???

Discussion in 'The Poker Room' started by CoonHunter, Apr 26, 2013.

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  1. CoonHunter

    CoonHunter Tourist

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    Can someone please explain to me what Full Kill and Half Kill is and how it works? The casino's I play at do not offer these and for what little bit I know about them I don't think I would like it. Thanks!
     
  2. mrstealth

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    Sure - The way a "kill" or "half kill" works is - If the same person wins 2 pots in a row the Kill or Half Kill goes into effect. What happens is the limits double in the case of a full kill or go 1.5 times in the case of a half kill. The kill remains in effect until that person loses to another player.

    In real life it would go like this - assume a 4/8 game. Once a person wins 2 pots in a row the limits will go to 8/16 until that person loses. Also, the winner of the 2 pots post $8 blind. The small and big blind remain $2 & $4, but, they must match the $8 if they want to stay in the hand.

    In the case of a "half kill" blinds would go to 6/12.

    It makes the game a lot more fun, and if you are lucky enough to go on a rush you can make a lot more money.
     
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    I love these games. Usually you can get the floor to change the game to a kill game if you ask and everyone at the table is willing to play it.

    That is, of course, if the poker room supports a kill game (has the button and the dealers know how to deal it).
     
  4. mjames1229

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    Or you can lose an insane amount of money (at a 3/6 game, no less) when on consecutive kill pots, you are dealt with and lose with AK suited, AA and AK off. The person instigating the kill had just enough to stay in each time, called my raises and got lucky.

    Odds say those three hands in a 3/6 game, I should probably (if bet correctly) win at least two of three. Bad, bad luck to be sure.

    But I hate kills for that reason. If I had wanted a 6/12 game, I would have asked the room to start one.
     
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    To add to this, usually there is a minimum pot requirement to count toward the kill as well.

    And kill games are quite popular with Omaha8 because with split pot games, the kill gets activated when a person "scoops" a pot that meets the pot requirement. So if there is no chance for a low hand, the "kill" will often get activated.
     
  6. may24

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    Played my first half kill game yesterday and did not like it. At 5/10 the kill pot was activated with a pot win of $50 or more. So when i won a $50 pot i was forced to post a $10 bet. Percentage wise that takes out a significant amount of the win. As i mentioned in the other post, i feel the forced $10 bet is a tax on the win.
    For what its worth, i feel if you want to play 10/20 go play 10/20. Im not interested in playing 5/10 and then being forced to make a bet if i win money.
     
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    I've never played a kill like that and doubt I would. $50 pots should be almost every hand at 5/10 so the kill would likely be on all of time.

    I've only played the double hand winner variety. Those are fun games.
     
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    I have never understood the concept. Yes, the mechanics of it, but not the reasoning. Same thing with a straddle. Like may24 said, if I wanted to play the higher limit game, I would go sit at a higher limit game.
     
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    Some people like a straddle because it promotes bad players to gamble it up. Same thing with the kill. I'm not a fan either but that's the reason I've heard.
     
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    honestly that's exactly the reason I like both. raising the stakes of the game to where others are uncomfortable and play scared makes the game infinitely juicier. there's nothing better than getting a bigger game with players that prefer to play smaller. the more uncomfortable the other players at the table are, the better it is for your bankroll.
     
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    Its a tax on weak players. Who are more likely to do the things required to activate the kill.

    I don't play LHE or O8, but you should adjust your player(be tighter) if you have a leg up button. So not only do bad players activate the kill more naturally, but they are also more likely to ignore the kill and not adjust their play.
     
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    Yeah, when you have a leg up in LHE, you definitely will want to tighten up a little bit.
     
  13. may24

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    I don't get this logic. anyone that wins a pot over $50 the kill is activated, could be a good player or a bad player, anyone that wins the kill is activated. So if you win then are in mid position for example, you are forced to bet $10 and if you get 3-6 off, and someone raises in front of you, you obviously fold and just lost $10 that you would otherwise not have bet. its a tax on a winning. Doesn't matter if you are a good player or bad player you post $10 and if you get 3-6 both a good and bad player are going to fold and lose the $10.
     
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    Because in most casinos it takes two consecutive wins to activate the kill, which is what he was referring to. When you win the first pot, you have less of an incentive to win the second in that case.
     
  15. may24

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    Ok now that makes sense. At my local casino its any pot over $50 (10x the bb)
    def a tax on a win. The rake was nothing compared to the half kill. out of a $50 pot, $6 for rake plus $10 for half kill, take out the bets you put in there, and you have a very small profit.
    I am trying no limit next time anyways.
     
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    Bad players play more hands and therefore win more pots. It could be a good player or a bad player, but its most likely to be the guy who never folds.
     
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    This is true as well, I forgot about this point. Most winning limit players will win slightly less pots than the average player since they can actually fold preflop.
     
  18. may24

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    Thats fine, but lets say i am a great player. I play tight and win less pots than the loose weaker player. When I finally do win a pot because the pot is over $50 i have to pay $6 rake, plus $10 half kill.
    Regardless if you are weak or good, that $10 is coming out of your winnings.
    How does that not equal a tax on a win?
    Or are you saying its good ebcause the kill pots get built up and when the strong player gets a good hand that enables him to win more???
    My suggestion for that is to just move up to 10-20.
    i dont get this half kill or full kill at all. seems stupid to me.
     
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    it's good if you like action. it's bad if you're a nit. simple as that. action players like it because they don't want any nits at the table anyway.

    however, if you're playing a game with a kill every hand no matter what, then you're really playing a different game. most kills are only instituted on scooper pots in a split game or when one player wins 2 hands in a row.
     
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    and you are assuming that you will not win the next pot again when you posted the $10. You still have your chance of getting a big hand again, and winning that pot. I find if you play more aggressively in the kill pots, you will win your fair share as most of the lower limit players do not want to put that much money into the pot to chase their draws like they normally would.

    try this next time you have the kill button... raise no matter what you have, and you will drive out almost everyone behind you. Then you are heads up (most likely) with the original raiser. Heads up, most people miss the flop, so they will think your pre-flop 3 bet is a strong hand, and they will most likely release unless the board is real scary and coordinated.

    I personally love the kill pot games.................
     
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