Front end comp then little/no playing them

Well said.

 

I agree 100% with this. The casinos give and take away all the time. I feel if you have earned it from your previous play its already in the bank. The guy is bringing potential customers into their establishment. If they do not spend a dime there then the offer won't show up again. I am talking about the casino initiating the comp and not the player asking for it.


It's a casino and the casino brass want bodies in their place in the hope the razzle dazzle prompts them to drop some money there. There is never a guarantee but the casino should be thanking him for introducing new potential clients to their establishment.

Believe it or not casinos can become addictive and maybe the friends have said they do not want to gamble but intelligent, educated people have been known to become slobbering uncontrollable freaks when they get introduced to a casino environment.

 

They will gladly undercomp you and intentionally do so at any available opportunity. The idea that there is something morally or ethically wrong about asking for an offer, using it and not playing at the casino is delusional thinking. You do not owe the casino anything. Their entire business model is based on misleading customers. The Vegas Illusion.

Don't forget that the offer/comp game is a gamble too which does add a certain irony to the low/no plays.

Now, if the OP goes ahead with it and TI says no more offers for you, that is certainly a possibility and a risk he'll have to take. But this high horse talk about it being "wrong" is nonsense.

 

I think what most people are saying here is that it's fine to take advantage of the casino, but by calling a host and getting him to book you then you're taking advantage of a person, who will be affected outside just what happens to the casino.

 

Right, but the Host is also giving you the lowest possible offer he can based on the expectation of play to get you in the door. So the idea that it's wrong to scam the host while he/she is trying to scam you seems a little suspect IMO.

Consequences, yes. Wrong, absolutely not.

 

I strongly disagree that the host is giving you the lowest possible offer. We've all been undercomped, but most of us have also been overcomped at times too.

Either way, you're screwing over another human being. If you think that 'he'd do it to me' is a valid excuse for that, then we're just not going to agree.

 

The host is not providing the lowest possible in this case. They are going out of the way to match a competitor with an offer that is either greater than the norm or an offer they didn't intend to extend. And the justification that there would be other retail purchases doesn't work because the casino itself is a profit center that doesn't benefit from that kind of retail. Again, if these guys don't gamble, why engage in a situation that benefits them which will end up backfiring on the gamblers who come after? In this sort of situation, I would rather pay for rooms or only accept just for my room.

 

Not sure I'd agree about overcomping being something that very often comes from the host level. Corporate offers, yes but that's a computer algorythm essentially failing or being misled by it's own data. A host that spends any appreciable amount of time over-comping won't be a host very long.

 

My thoughts would be that because the OP is actually doing the reaching out to these hosts and asking them to match their offer from Wynn and getting free play, that a certain level of play is being implied by the OP and expected by the host.

If this was just somebody using computer generated offers from a casino's marketing program there probably wouldn't be any real repercussions other than level and quality of offers dramatically declining until the player redeems them self to the casino...

However, since this situation involves humans interaction, in the way of the hosts contacted, I would think there is a very good chance that at least one of the properties will charge the OP for the rooms... which can be a big unknown since you don't know if they are going to charge the discount rate you can find through some online digging or if they are going to charge the full rack rate plus any comps like freeplay back.


Personally, I have to say I hate the idea: part of it is because its defrauding the casino, but also because you have these five guys going to Vegas together and yet they're all being spread out, not just at different properties but even different parts of The Strip.

If the intention is to have a guys trip to Las Vegas with a bunch of buddies having some at The Wynn, some at Ti and some at Tropicana will make it hard to coordinate things and spend time together, plus a lot of the "savings" in getting these free rooms will probably be used up just getting around...

IE: if you decide Friday morning to go have breakfast at The Wynn together instead of just knocking on doors and seeing if everybody is up if the whole group was staying in the same property, the guys at Ti can just walk over to The Wynn, but the ones at Tropicana are going to have to spend probably $15 on cab fare to get down there and then if you guys boot around there all day and then want to get ready for a night out somewhere they'll have to cab it back to Tropicana, get ready for the night out and then cab it back to wherever the group is hanging out, etc.

I guess to me I just see group trips as being hard enough to coordinate and organize when everybody is together, spreading them around town so much just seems like its going to add a few unnecessary headaches.

 

Well I'm guilty of taking all the offers I am giving, and no playing em. I have certainly earned em.

To ask a host for upfront comps and not playing is just not right. However there a certain host that use to hound me that I wasn't playing enough. She said she would start taking my points to cover comp. Well I would love to ask her for conp now and no play . She is a terrible. Host. Lost 8000 once. Never met her in person. This a local s joint. I may do it. Lol

 

What if you book a marketing offer with a host? Would it be ok to low play then

 

Just go through marketing or vip services. No host.

 

I have a personal experience with this. Couple of years ago I asked my host for several suites and told my host that I would give almost no play as I was there for work. He agreed to comp all for rooms regardless of my play due to my previous action. So I went ahead and booked the rooms with the company card.

I usually never bother actually checking out as I have never been billed before. However a few weeks later my company's controller asks me regarding the thousands of dollars from the wynn. I called my host and asked him about the charges are I confirmed with him about the no play comp. Unfortunately that weekend they were undergoing an audit by the marketing VP. He had to charge me as he could not comp those rooms despite my history with the property. There was not much he could do as it was a convention weekend.

That being said it was very embarrassing to have to explain this. I was quite upset after specifically confirming with my host several times. However the hosts all report to their bosses as well.

You can be billed for no play despite what your host tells you. On a slow week it should be no problem but for a busy weekend it can be reviewed and changed from Above. Your only respite would be to take your play elsewhere as I did for over a year and now always get even better service.

 

Boy, I'd be pissed. I suspect that even if there is fine print, you would have a breach of contract claim against them. I would dispute the charge. Typically if your comp'd your intial documents reflect the no room charge anyway. I think you got hosed by a jackoff "host."

 

Yeah I was pissed. More so than the cost ofthe rooms, it wasthe principle ofhim notkeeping hisword. As an oldschool way ofliving, i truly believe mam is as good as his word. However I did stay away from the property for over a year and a half but then he became the VP of player development. Reports directly to VP of marketing so now he had some some weight to throw around.

Now it's all good with rfb but there is only so much I can spend eating. Rather have better cash offers (flight, rebates, and promo chips) but been getting better offers at other properties that I've been spending my time at.

 

Yeah, there's still a weird bit of a line here.

To me, if a company is sending you something up front that doesn't REQUIRE you to play, that's their gamble and if they are burned that's their problem (and you won't get future offers).

But when you take it to the level of asking them to match a higher offer, and booking through a host, with no intent in playing, that's really kind of pushing things.

Depending on the wording of the offer, there may or may not be consequences, but I wouldn't do it either way.

 

I get the example, but its not the best one.

Because even if you are just researching and planning to buy online, the store would much rather have you walk in the door than just research online (unless the store or its salespeople are so busy that in talking to you they'd lose another sale).

If you buy online without ever going in, they don't even get a shot at you. By going into the store and trying things out and asking questions, you are giving them an opportunity to close you. That's better than nothing, and doesn't really fit the no play example here.

 

I'd have dumped your host.

 

The issue here is that if you no-play a host without disclosing it in advance, you are directly messing with an actual person's job.

And I think sailboat did the right thing. Assuming what his host told him was true (and that sailboat believes him), it was a total dick move by Wynn, but not the host - the host tried to do him a favor but got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Simply moving your play elsewhere for a while, instead of burning your bridge with the host, was the right way to play it.

Seems to me like you should have a chit in your pocket with that host - have you ever tried to call it in?

 

I agree 100% well said Mike!