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Free Play - Table Games or Slots?

Discussion in 'Comps' started by msujen12, Oct 10, 2013.

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  1. msujen12

    msujen12 Low-Roller

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    Just wondering what all of the seasoned Vegas Veterans would do?

    We are heading to Vegas for NYE, arriving on the 29th, departing late in the day on the 2nd. I'm Diamond with CET, and am lucky enough to be getting $350 of FP 2x during our stay (host had to book me under two separate offers, but that means I get FP in Dec and Jan). I have the choice of table games or slots. Both vouchers are good at any CET property I believe.

    Which would you choose?

    The nice thing about the table games is the ticket (which would be $35 b/c CET gives you a max of 10) rides as long as you win. I equally enjoy playing slots and BJ, although my status definitely comes from my slot play.

    Just asking if there is in any strategy in the choice and what your thoughts are...

    Thanks!

    -JEN
     
  2. Turtleman

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    I'd recommend playing the same games the same way as you normally would with $350. That said, I don't play slots, so I'd stick with BJ. Happy deciding!
     
  3. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

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    since the table play is keep if you win, both are the same value. just depends on what game you'd rather play. if you normally play slots, just use it as part of your bankroll.
     
  4. paperposter

    paperposter VIP Whale

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    take the table becuase itsn bet till u loose i get the offer all the time p.s u can bet the whole sum at one time.
     
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    JustNgo Low-Roller

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    Not quite sure what you mean by this. Since the table play is keep if you win (play until you lose), I would think the table play is more valuable than slot play since you lose your initial wager no mater what in slot play.

    Exactly what I was thinking. Sure, you can't win a huge jackpot off of table games like you would on a slot (bonus bets aside, can you even use table play for bonus bets?), but since you play until you lose, you could easily still win as much as you would from a jackpot if you go on a crazy streak without risking any of your money.
     
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    DonkHappens Low-Roller

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    Can you use your chips/checks playing blackjack, then only use the vouchers for double down and split situations? That seems like it would be about your best play, right?
     
  7. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Some of the above answers are WRONG. Some might be right.

    Until you can clarify the way the table play works, it is hard to say.

    If you will normally play slots, then the FP is just like cash. EXACTLY like cash.

    If you play table games, there are at least two variations, possibly more. In some cases, if you win, they still take the voucher. Make sure you understand.

    Again, if you normally play some slots, then slots is the best answer.
     
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    Take the FreePlay.
    Suck it out on videopoker (play a specific number of hands, just to "wash" it; and then cash it out as CASH)
     
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  9. Kickin

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    Not quite. If you push on a slot/VP/electronic table you get your freeplay back in cash. If you push on a table you keep it as a promo chip. The difference is machines treat pushes as wins. If you could use your freeplay on a machine version of a table game with the same rules it would be better than using them on the actual table.

    If you're going to gamble there anyway the best use is to just treat the freeplay/promo chips as part of your normal bankroll, that's equal to 100% cash. If for some reason you absolutely want to convert it to cash instead, then the best way to wash them is baccarat with promos on player and equal cash on banker, which will guarantee you 95%.
     
  10. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Unless of course the OP likes to play slots. Then, play slots. It is just like cash.
     
  11. paperposter

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    cet has play till you loose voucher so its a better deal.

    if he has 350 in free play he has all or part to bet each time it comes in paper vouchers with differnt denomations on it but he can bet all 350 on one hand and they will the pay you 700 if he wins , he pulls back the 350 in chips and still has the original voucher bet and can keep betting it till he loses ,hope that helps
     
  12. stackinchips

    stackinchips High-Roller

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    No if the OP bets all $350 on one hand and wins, they will pay out $350 in real chips, and the vouchers will remain.
     
  13. msujen12

    msujen12 Low-Roller

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    THanks for the responses. I play both slots and 3:2 BJ, and enjoy both equally. If I were to put it all out there on a BJ bet, I would get $350 in chips back and the vouchers remain out as my bet.

    I just wasn't sure if there was some strategic point I wasn't thinking of, but it seems like I should just pick whatever I'm feeling like. Maybe I'll do one slots and one table games just to see what the difference is.
     
  14. stackinchips

    stackinchips High-Roller

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    If you play both games, there really is no difference. Treat it like cash. The only thing difference you may notice is if whatever denom you get for table games (which in your case will be 10 35 dollar vouchers or 7 50 dollar vouchers) could be higher than your typical bet, but I doubt that's the case given the amount of FP you're getting.
     
  15. Kickin

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    In the sense that it replaces cash in his bankroll yes, but since he plays both I have to disagree. He's better off using both FPs on blackjack. Assuming a 1% BJ, he's expected to churn the chips about 1.98x on average, that represents a value of (350*1.98)*99%-350 ~ $336. In a slot he runs it through once and assume ~10% HA its worth ~$315. Also, since cash is worth more in terms of comps/points on slots, all else being equal he's better off using cash on slots and freeplay on BJ whenever possible.
     
  16. msujen12

    msujen12 Low-Roller

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    This actually makes complete sense to me (her) :cheers:
     
  17. stackinchips

    stackinchips High-Roller

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    While theoretically you are correct, what you are failing to account for is that on BJ she will only have 10 units to play with, so a small run of bad variance could leave her with only a couple of units won. If she played that in a slot or VP, she will play many many more hands (depending on what amount is played).

    Also if she is going to play either one regardless of FP or her own money, it really doesn't matter. Whether she runs FP through machines instead of her own money, or she uses it on BJ instead of her own money it really doesn't matter. In fact if anything I would argue to use the house money on the high variance high HA game, because if you don't hit something big, at least it was the houses money and you can go use your cash for the lower HA BJ.

    Honestly it really doesn't matter with such a menial amount of FP. Just pick whichever you want. As long as the chips are play until you lose (which they are) the difference between the two options is negligible.
     
  18. Kickin

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    Right, if it does purely substitute it doesn't matter accept for the comps. She'll get back more using the cash on slots and FP on BJ versus the other way around. But its minimal.

    It kind of comes down to how you actually treat FP. If you lower your bankroll by that amount its akin to cash for your purposes. If you add it to your bankroll (which I think in reality is what most of us actually do), its worth whatever EV you can generate from the FP. Which is higher in BJ, or in other words $350 promo chips on BJ cost the casino more than $350 freeplay on slots.

    I completely agree its negligible though. More of a theoretical exercise out of boredom.

    BTW, truth is I tend to use my FP on high limit slots versus VP even though VP would be "better". Its for the reasons you said - I figure if I'll go for a big jackpot on the casino's dime, since I don't really play slots with my own money. When it comes to gambling I hardly ever practice what I preach. :evillaugh
     
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