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Discussion in 'Casino Gaming' started by gregluvsvegas, Jul 20, 2016.

  1. gregluvsvegas

    gregluvsvegas Tourist

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    While playing dollar VP DDB I hit 4 quad aces on the same day at the same casino. About 10 minutes after hitting the 4th quad, a slot attendant asked me for my ID, saying they needed to update their system. I did some investigation and apparently they track these non-W2G wins and work with the IRS to prevent money laundering. I am just a working class guy who has studied VP strategy and apparently my study has payed off. Should I be worried? BTW, after hitting these 4 quads, I hit one more. I know it seems like a lot of coin, but with DDB it takes money to make money.
     
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  2. DeMoN2318

    DeMoN2318 The DERS

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    YES! change your name!

    Jk, your not doing anything wrong, right? So you are fine.

    I would have told them to F off... do they update their system with my loses? Didnt think so
     
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  3. Chuck2009x

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    What was your "investigation?" What's quads worth in DDB, $800?

    Were you playing without a card? If your card was in, they'd have all the info they needed already. I highly doubt any casino is tracking $800 wins for the IRS.
     
  4. JeJas

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    I would be worried.
    Can you disclose which casino it was? seems like a sweaty joint.
     
  5. pleepleus

    pleepleus 2016 - The monkey is back

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    If he put in more than $10k cash in the machine in one day, I don't think it would be unusual for them to ask.
     
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    If it was a non-W2G win, why would the slot attendant have the right to demand your ID? I wouldn't have given it. I don't understand what your ID has to do with their "system"...as mentioned earlier, isn't your play being tracked by your players card? A slot attendant does not have the right to ask you for your ID unless you are being given a hand pay. Security, yes. The people at the Players desk when you are making an inquiry, yes. But some random slot attendant asking for no valid reason? No.
     
  7. TIMSPEED

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    I'm curious too...most machines don't lock up until $1199+ or a Royal (in some cases)...Were you playing downtown, or at a tiny joint off strip?
    I've racked up countless wins totaling less than $1199 an cashed out at machines.. however, if you cash out more than like $2000 at a cashier they'll tend to ask for ID (at least they do me..but I look young, so I expect it)
     
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  8. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Where/how was this investigated? I am not buying that at all.

    Lots of people run more than $10k through the machines every day.
    Lots of people get lots of wins that are less than $1200, every day.
    The casino does report large cash transactions to the treasury department (not the IRS) but this is not related to just playing.

    If anything "funny" was going on, it was the casino. Hitting multiple Quad Aces might have caught their attention. Or maybe you did not have the card in? Or maybe.....
     
  9. Geogran

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    That was a very strange reason given by the slot attendant - even if a players card was used, why at that moment would they need to update their system, and what prompted the system to flag you individually? I'm rather paranoid in a casino with scams and all. I would have delved further as to the why before I handed over ID and even then I would have said I'd be happy to go to the players club with the person and update it there. If they suspect money laundering, is that how they approach someone or would security handle it? Curious stuff.

    OP: Was this in Vegas or a local?
     
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  10. tringlomane

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    But would a money launderer be dumb enough to use a player's card? I'm assuming that's how they knew he had hit multiple quad aces.

    I'm wondering if they wanted his info on file because they were going to audit that machine later, especially if he didn't move machines. But that's mostly paranoia/sweat joint behavior. If one is playing single line, 4 or more quad aces in 2500 hands is about a 0.3% event.

    Do you recall how many hands you played greg? Did you move machines at all?

    When pleepleus referred to the $10k threshold, he meant that $10k of actual cash was fed into various machines. Feeding $10k cash into machines in one day is a fairly rare event and should raise some suspicion. Bigger players could do it if they like to collect TITOs I suppose; I'd personally be afraid I would leave a large TITO behind. Of course I say all this, and a guy next to me at Hollywood St. Louis last night had hundreds in his hand and a broken $5k currency band. He was playing 10-line quarter ultimate x ($25 per round). Maybe by the end of the night he would feed $10k of actual cash in there too.

    But I generally agree, I feel like this was an unnecessary ID request based on greg's story.
     
  11. Jackpot Johnny

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    Asking for your ID like this seems wrong on a lot of levels. Unless you are very young and appear not old enough to be in the casino at all, asking for your ID without any good reason (I suspect their reason was to investigate you for cheating, or a history of cheating or machine manipulation) is bogus. Of course, I'm old and cranky-I'd have asked them to let me talk to the supervisor who was "updating the system," then told them, politely but firmly, "Uh, no. Can you give me any valid reason for your ridiculous, bogus, made up request?" Sadly, this is just a fantasy for me-my card would have been in the machine and they'd have already had much more data on me than I probably want them to have. If you are a big player and you play for high limits, there is always some tension between trying to remain anonymous to avoid taxes and having every penny tracked to maximize perks and comps. For me, putting $10,000 in actual new cash into machines in one day will never be a problem I consider. But, there are players at that level on this board who might have more perspective.
     
  12. gregluvsvegas

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    I will answer a few questions, but I don't want to name the casino. This was downtown. Dollar DDB coin dropper. 3 different machines. I always use my players card. The game locks up on any win greater than 800 credits. This makes about half of the higher end of the paytable a hand pay. The attendant that asked for my ID was the same attendant that had just paid me for my last hand pay, so I knew she was an employee. Once I had played off my remaining credits I went over to the players club and asked if it was normal to have a slot attendant to ask for my ID. She said no, but referred me to the shift manager who was nearby. On his computer screen was a scan of my ID and a list of all of my hand pays for the day (really freaky). This is where he told me that they report this to the IRS and the money laundering thing. As far as my actual coin-in I don't think I had 10k of cold cash inserted, but it is possible.
     
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  13. Chuck2009x

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    Last year, the IRS proposed that the W2G threshold be reduced to $600 but nothing's happened yet, and I doubt it will.

    I'm not questioning that this shift manager told you this, but I find it hard to believe that any Vegas casino would
    a) voluntarily report anything to the IRS that they're not required to
    b) do it without even telling the customer

    It would amount to setting a trap. It makes no sense.
     
  14. merlin

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    Since you're not money laundering I wouldn't worry about it. Seriously though, you're on a helluv a run and your looking for something get upset about. Relax and enjoy the run...it wont last long.
     
  15. JeJas

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    coin machine? Sounds like El Cortez.
     
  16. JeJas

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    That's so mind freak!
     
  17. TIMSPEED

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    Say no more...just a sweaty joint, worried you were "manipulating" the machine...
     
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    Paranoid management? Sounds like El Cortez. :evillaugh:
     
  19. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Based on what I have read, if there was any reporting, it was standard practice to the Treasury Dept - not the IRS.

    Even when I deposited more than $10k in one day from my business at the bank, they had to report it.
     
  20. Nittany1

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    This is the reason they were checking you out.
    Nothing to do with taxes.