1. Welcome to VegasMessageBoard
    It appears you are visiting our community as a guest.
    In order to view full-size images, participate in discussions, vote in polls, etc, you will need to Log in or Register.

Table Games FOUR PERCENT Baccarat at the D!

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by pass line man, Aug 4, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. pass line man

    pass line man Low-Roller

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Messages:
    455
    Location:
    Philadelphia, PA
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    23
    For the first time since Binion's horseshoe.....there is now a 4% commission game.

    The D has a midi table in their high limit room.

    25 min (100 to squeeze cards) 10k max 4 percent vig.

    They mark up the commission at 5%....then charge you 4 when you pay.. this cuts the house edge from 1.06 percent to .6 percent!!

    Nice service, and they were happy to see my action...

    Bacc players unite!!! We MUST support positive movements!!!
     
  2. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2010
    Messages:
    10,096
    Location:
    At the tables
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    30
    that's pretty nice. 10k max a little low, but not bad. too bad it's DT though...
     
  3. dunebug81

    dunebug81 VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2011
    Messages:
    1,148
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    15
    And you get almost no comps for playing. I asked for a $40 comp to DuPars after about an hour of playing $150-$175 per hand and was told that if I wanted to make this a 5% game they could comp me. I said no problem. Coloured up my chips and left.

    What's up with the $100 or higher you get the cards rule? Golden nugget does that too.
     
  4. WrongWayWade

    WrongWayWade VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2010
    Messages:
    1,116
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    27
    If everyone is playing low stakes they want to make the game move faster and get their take higher by having the dealer do all the cards.
     
  5. dunebug81

    dunebug81 VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2011
    Messages:
    1,148
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    15
    Yeah I guess that makes sense. Still seems rather silly to me.
     
  6. Someone

    Someone High-Roller

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2012
    Messages:
    694
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    1
    fondling the cards can drag the game to a halt with the blowing, the multiple peeks at the edges, the chanting and cheering the hand motioning and on and on

    if a casino wants to play X hands per hour per table and all of that leads to X/4 hands per hour well the answer to that is increase the min bet from y to y*4 to equalize out the anticipated hourly take from that table and to equalize out the playing time for those watching their theo for comps
     
  7. shifter

    shifter Degenerate Gambler

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2010
    Messages:
    10,096
    Location:
    At the tables
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    30
    I understand wanting to keep the game moving if everybody is playing table min. one thing I don't get is the Beau requires a 1k min avg and to be approved in the system if you want to turn the cards out of order. that's dumb to me as who cares what order you turn the cards in if nobody is on the other side?
     
  8. BlueSkadoo

    BlueSkadoo VMB Sweetheart

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2011
    Messages:
    1,027
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    14
    That's all I could think about when I read this thread too, shifter!
     
  9. casinoboy

    casinoboy Low-Roller

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2013
    Messages:
    353
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    10
    i play mini baccarat sometimes and i do pretty good at it,you can usually find it for $25 or less depending on which casino. but it doesnt make a difference for me if it has 5% or 4% commission because i like playing the player bet more and when i pay commissions for banker i give the left over chips to the dealer.so if it was 4% the dealer would just get more tips but i would stay the same.
     
  10. dunebug81

    dunebug81 VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2011
    Messages:
    1,148
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    15
    Yeah I understand all that. However we are talking about The D. Of the dozen or so times Ive been in there since they opened their high limit area I've seen exactly no one in there except for me on 2 different occasions. I've played craps and Pai Gow in there for hours facing the bac table hoping someone would show up to play so I'm not playing by myself.

    Shifter, the beau does have weird rules. The D will always open player first the. Bank regardless of what size bet and if you don't play the $100 min then they flip over the cards as they come out of the shoe just like in blackjack. For me a sloppy dealer who deals the game wrong just kills the mood for me. I think Mandalay has some of the best bac dealers. Perhaps that's cause most of them know me and ask how the wife and dogs are but they will add a little suspense to flippi g over the cards. If playing by myself ill have one dealer look at the other side and give me a thumbs up or down on the opposing hand. Im sure they like playing with me because I'm not all serious and will have actual conversations with most of them.

    I love The D as its got a great atmosphere (other then the music being a little too loud) and the dealers, while noobs, are usually really fun to play with. That being side think ill stick to giving MGM, Mandalay, and Red Rock my baccarat play.
     
  11. Someone

    Someone High-Roller

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2012
    Messages:
    694
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    1
    yes it is just The D, but The D is located in the United States of America and that means it like all businesses in the USA has to post their rules very prominently and stick to them firmly least they run into what makes the greatest country on earth sometimes one of the crappiest countries on earth.....entitled spoiled idiots that can't or won't follow rules or that thinks they are special

    if they just let people play at $25 per hand and fondle the cards they are going to end up with endless amounts of drunken buffoons wasting everyones time and killing others enjoyment while they act stupid about turning over the cards and if the dealer or the pit boss finally gets involved and tells them they can fondle the cards, but they can't rape the cards for an hour per hand those drunken idiots will throw a tantrum and storm out of the place and vow never to come back and try and bash the place endlessly to every other idiot that will listen or those that are unfortunate enough to be within earshot because they were just doing what they see all the (real) high dollar players do in other casinos and "just The D" won't let them do that even though they were playing for $25 per hand at "just The D"

    Baccarat is a low take game for the house as it is so they need higher limits to even offer it and then if you drag out each hand for 10 minutes jumping around and standing on your head trying to see the pips of the cards it makes it a money loser for the house and even The D is in business to make money
     
  12. USCHawks

    USCHawks High-Roller

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2013
    Messages:
    896
    Location:
    Kennewick, WA
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    9
    Sorry if I'm highjacking the thread, but while we're on the topic of baccarat I figured I may as well ask. I've never played baccarat before, but after seeing it mentioned a few times on here I read up on it and played a bit for free online. My question is...where would be a good place to try it out for somebody who has never played before. I'm not a high roller by any means, is the lowest you can find it for around $25?
     
  13. Viva Las Vegas

    Viva Las Vegas Ramblin' Gamblin' Man

    Joined:
    May 31, 2008
    Messages:
    2,594
    Location:
    Chicago
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    46
    The only time I played baccarat was at the Stratosphere at a $10 or $15 table. It was a large table, but it wasn't the high limit type where players handle the cards (the dealers handled the cards). There are other casinos which offer the game, either at a blackjack sized table (higher) or a lower table like the Stratosphere for under $25, including a few downtown casinos.

    I only played to try it based on posts here. I played for about 20 minutes and broke even. It is a guessing game, and while I understand there are strategies based on trends, I was bored primarily because I am bored with any game which does not require skill. I was glad I tried it as it was one of the few casino games I never played despite being a degenerate gambler since the 1980s.
     
  14. dunebug81

    dunebug81 VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2011
    Messages:
    1,148
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    15
    You can find $10 tables at Luxor, Flamingo, Harrahs, NyNY, and maybe Monte Carlo and TI although I've never spent any time at the last 2 places other than just walking thru.
     
  15. USCHawks

    USCHawks High-Roller

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2013
    Messages:
    896
    Location:
    Kennewick, WA
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    9
    Thanks Dunebug! I usually only play blackjack so I guess I've never taken that close of a look at all the other tables and what they are. I guess I was just under the assumption that this was usually only in high limit areas.
     
  16. pass line man

    pass line man Low-Roller

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Messages:
    455
    Location:
    Philadelphia, PA
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    23
    I don't have the roll or the line to ask for a higher max....but might be able to get higher.. It's a nice vibe.

    As to the comp thing.... I did accrue comps when I was playing and had about $76 at the end of my stay... not huge, but was on a marketing offer anyway with 150 food and comp room, 200 match and 200 promos..... so I think the comps were really pretty decent.

    Saving $1 per bank win means in an hour you can comp yourself $40 anywhere. IMHO still a better deal....and I think giving them some action is not a bad idea. If a positive move isn't supported by players....it will go away!
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.