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Face it....You play for comps, even though you say you don't!

Discussion in 'Comps' started by Rush, Mar 8, 2016.

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  1. Rush

    Rush High-Roller

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    One of the big things I see on this and other sites, is people claiming they will never play for comps. Then, in the next post, they say something about heading to Vegas for the weekend because they only need 10,000 more points to reach Titanium status. What gives?

    Now, I figure there are two camps: You play, and get what you get, or you play for comps. (There is a third camp, and that is the people who don't even use a card, but I seriously doubt anyone here falls in that group)

    I will gladly take a reduced room rate or a free meal, based on my play. I will not go out of my way, though.

    Where do you fit in?
     
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  2. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    I think those three camps are correct. But personally, I haven't seen any specific person say they don't chase comps, but then post that they do. Some players chase comps. And for some players, reaching certain tier status has some value for them personally, so I wouldn't even call it chasing
     
  3. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    The term "chasing" is often mis-used.

    If someone is almost at the next tier level, they would be stupid not to at least be aware of it. To play thousands and thousands ONLY to reach a level is another story. Another example is someone that is $100 of coin in to get the big CET daily bonus. Since they apparently enjoy playing, putting another $100 of coin in is not chasing, but just a good decision.

    Of course, tier levels do NOT relate directly to comps, but it does not hurt either.

    As to the original title, of course we pay for comps. But, if the amount of play would be exactly the same with or without comps - then why not?
     
  4. spdandpwr

    spdandpwr Low-Roller

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    I gamble a little to get a little but my trips center more on the food and debauchery more so than the actual gambling itself.
     
  5. grosx2

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    I play with an eye on comps and ADT, but I've never significantly altered my bankroll to "chase." A more accurate description would be that I've at times allocated my bankroll differently to achieve a desired result.

    About a year ago, two things happened within the span of several months. One was that CET stopped waiving resort fees for platinum (now it was only diamond and up). Second was that I moved from Chicago to CA, and I knew that I would roughly double the nights per year I spent in Vegas.

    Based on these two occurrences, I made the decision to achieve diamond status with TR after years of being platinum. Diamond would save me at least $500 per year on resort fees alone, plus my increased time in Vegas would make the other benefits more valuable, such as diamond lounge access and free show tickets.

    I didn't greatly increase my daily bankroll to do this, I just played it differently on several days. Usually I'll play some bar top VP, and spend a good amount of time at the tables. But for a couple days on two consecutive trips, I stuck to 10 play quarter BP to reach $10k coin in, thereby triggering a 1k TC bonus. I'd then do an after dinner table session if part of the day's BR was still in tact. These bonuses along with my normal gambling habits the rest of the time led to me hitting diamond during the November great gift wrap up trip.

    So I guess I was "chasing" comps in the literal sense of the word, but it was really more just gambling with a purpose to achieve a desired result. And I did happen to finish up a bit on all the 1k TC days combined, due to hitting two royals! :thumbsup:
     
  6. Rush

    Rush High-Roller

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    This is precisely what I am talking about. If you had no card, there is no way you would play the way you did. Thus, "comps" are a driving factor in your play.

    Comps are a great carrot for the casino. Even those of us who "don't play for comps", play for comps! I think most of us have a home base out there due to the fact that a certain casino/hotel offers us the free rooms! I know I do. I stay and play at the Orleans, because THEY offer me the room.
     
  7. Sonya

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    I think there's a big distinction between playing and receiving comps and chasing comps. Chasing comps is playing more than you normally would for the carrot at the end of the stick. But, IMO, playing and not utilizing the players club benefits is a mistake as well. It's about balance. Never gamble more than you have budgeted just so you can get to the next tier or get that comp. But if you're going to be playing anyway, use your card and get what you can get.
     
  8. Packer

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    In my TR's I always start with a theo number I want to hit. Say it's 20,000, as soon ad I hit it I pretty much quit gambling. My max loss might be 35k and if I lost 35k with only 5k in theo im done too. I know exactly what I need at all times as it really is just a game to me anyway. So I say I don't play for or chase comps. Comps (theo) just come with play naturally.
     
  9. Rush

    Rush High-Roller

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    No doubt. But the above was prefect example, IMO. If I'm Platinum, I only get this, BUT if I am Diamond, I get this! I see that all of the time here.
     
  10. JeJas

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    I play for comps.
    If my play does't generate any value for comps, I won't play it.
     
  11. DaiLun

    DaiLun R.C., L.C., and A.A.N.G.

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    There's never been a doubt in my mind that I "pay for my amenities in advance".

    People remark "that's so cool" when I tell them about the fact that I haven't paid for a hotel room in Vegas in the last 5 years (over 12 trips a year), or $500 in lift tickets or a $600 meal at Gordon Ramsay Steak that the casinos comped me. I remind them that "I paid in advance for those benefits".
     
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  12. vegasmeister

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    I play to win. After/during play I may ask for a meal at a restaurant of my choice from a host, and they always try to get me to book a room through them, but it's been a while since I've stayed overnight in Vegas. I'm in and out. I don't have a problem asking for something if I have the theo however.
     
  13. Bo333

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    I'm always surprised when people know their theo. I'd only have a WAG at what mine is. I gamble because I enjoy it.
    That being said it is nice to not have to worry about paying for a room or food, but I gambled long before I knew that I could get that for free.

    I do check tier points before and after a trip. It doesn't really do anything for me, but I'm always curious. Mainly because there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. I'll go up 600K points and gamble a fraction of what I gambled the time before when I went up 350K points.
     
  14. vegasfan

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    The way I took this scenario was that the poster didn't "chase" diamond, he rearranged how he was planning to spend the money he was already planning to spend to maximize his comps. I have a set budget that I plan to spend gambling. It is fairly small, so I keep in mind not to dilute my play all over....but if I feel like playing a machine somewhere else I will. That is kind of the same idea. I'm gonna spend my money anyways, I just like doing it in a way that gets me the most while I am at it. If I plan on spending one day at Samstown, I will check to see if there is a multiplier day during my trip and attempt to go that day if I can.

    I do agree the casinos dangle that carrot, and it may sway me to their side. I choose which casino I frequent based on various things including what that carrot is, the rooms, the casino vibe, slot/games offerings, cocktail service etc.
     
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  15. Jonnyvegas

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    I don't "chase" comps either, but I do play at certain casinos for comps. I'm a low roller compared to many. My wife and I have stayed at Bellagio the last few trips to Vegas. We play the most where we stay. I wanted to stay at V/P this year since we enjoyed our previous stays but their rate was just discounted vs 3 free nights at B plus some resort comp. Also we get the same discount offer from Wynn. This year we may play more at V/P or Wynn to get better comps - with same bankroll we plan to use at Bellagio.

    We did the same thing in AC. Usually we stayed and played at Harrahs but they never offered us comped Saturday nights and only gave us laughable free play. Before the Revel closed we heard they were giving away tons of comps. So we went down for the day and ran a normal amount of money through the machines. Right away they gave us free nights 7 days a week and at least 3X freeplay Harrahs was giving us. Unfortunately they closed. We loved our time there.
    I will be curious to see if concentrating our play this year elsewhere changes our offers much. More at one place and less at another.
     
  16. dannyocean

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    This is kind of a tough question, but maybe I'm just making it that way. I don't expressly play for comps. I play more for status, if that makes sense. One of the biggest attractions to Vegas is that it is, at its deepest core, a service town. Service is part of its DNA to an extent it is few other places. In short, and maybe this sounds petty, I like being fussed over. I don't mind paying for a suite. I like the luxury of it -- and I like the attention to detail from the services that come with it. As I've grown into a bigger gambler, I like the extra attention you get from the comp side of things. Comped rooms. Skipping the taxi line. Getting a great table at a fine restaurant. Those are things I like. It's part of the Vegas fantasy and escape for me.
     
  17. makikiboy

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    I agree with Sonya for most of this one. I never chase for a comp but if I'm playing craps and on a good roll I will ask the pit boss after I cash out if I qualify for a comp meal. I'm usually a red chip player and will only increase my bets if I am on a good table. I'm more of a hit and run player so sometimes I won't even give them my player's card, giving them my card only if I've been there for awhile or if the table is hot. I know some people that keep playing just to get a comp meal but I usually leave a table if I'm not doing well, table becomes cold or if I hit my $$ gambling quota for the day. I won't chase just to get a comp or I won't stay at a table to wait out the hot/cold thing.



    I don't know, most of us understand that you get your free rooms and meals because of your play. Yeah I would love to get free rooms and meals but I won't gamble more just to get the free rooms and meals. But I am glad that you get the freebies, good for you.
     
  18. DaiLun

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    My version of playing for comps is:

    I have a friend that decided that he wanted to see Bruno Mars at Cosmo. He didn't want to "pay" for tickets, but he would gladly "play" for tickets. $12,000 down (Blackjack) later, he quit and asked the pit boss if he could get some Bruno Mars tickets. They told him no.

    I agree that playing above your established limits for comps should be avoided. Not that I haven't done it on occasion. (remember my 2014 mLife Platinum adventure?)

    I'm gonna gamble anyway, so why not gamble where I can get something "back" if I have bad luck?

    My goals on a trip are:

    1)Win money
    2)earn a 1000 or 2500TC day
    3)be done early enough to enjoy the remainder of my day with no pressure to gamble.
     
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  19. jamesxnj

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    I fit in If I get a few rooms comped at the Rio,I'll try to play enough there to stay on the list while at the same time doing the same thing at the Orleans/Gold Coast..I'm gonna be spending the $ anyway somewhere so I want to not show up as a no play for future trips..The comped rooms are a big part of my Vegas planning every year.
     
  20. Chuck2009x

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    Chasing a comp means losing meaningfully more than what would normally be your loss limit, in order to reach a tier or an ADT that you know will result in a certain comp.
     
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