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Electronic tables games the same as slots?

Discussion in 'Casino Gaming' started by Dweller, Mar 4, 2014.

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  1. Dweller

    Dweller Low-Roller

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    I see more and more of the electronic table games for blackjack with the big video monitor and seats all around, craps with the big dice inside the bubble,and roulette with the wheel in the middle and players all around.

    Do those games use the same house edge as the real games or are they like slot machines and the casino puts in a hold percentage so the game will lose more?

    Thank you.
     
  2. WrongWayWade

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    Any electronic game that uses dice or cards must use a fair, shuffled deck (or a system for random dice) that is the same as a table game. So yes, the odds from the cards or dice are the same as the 'real' game, but it's possible the payoffs might be less than you'd expect.

    One example is video blackjack at bartop machines where blackjacks pay "2 for 1", which is really "1 to 1" or even money. The big video dealer machines don't seem to be at stingy as that and usually offer legitimate payoffs. They might restrict certain hands like only being able to split once. They do shuffle the cards every hand, however. This not really a problem but prevents any card counting.

    The 'bubble' craps machines seem to pay correct amounts for the various bets as far as I have observed. Same for the various incarnations of electronic roulette. I saw a new one, an electronic Big-6 wheel. The wheel was real and full sized behind some plexiglass and no dealer involved. It would spin after everyone made their bets or some time limit expired.
     
  3. Franken Dean

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    Great question, I was wondering the same thing.

    Anybody, know where a video craps game can be found? What are the denomination for playing. If someone has a photo of what these look like, i would be interested to see.
     
  4. vegasvic

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    If you are learning the game or really need to sit down these are fine but if you've ever played real craps these are not for you

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  5. ernestoc33

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    The video craps I've been playing lately seem to have the same odds as the real game and the players club does the points as if it were a real table game. It does at Binions and 4Q anyway, I haven't tried them on the strip.
     
  6. AndyAkeko

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    If it's like the one described by The Wizard of Odds (called "Lucky Big Wheel"), the odds are better than a regular big-six. I've seen this game at the Rio in 2012 and at El Cortez in 2013. http://wizardofodds.com/games/big-six/

    As for bubble craps, it likely has better odds for novice players, because any rounding off of odds is done the penny rather than the dollar. In other words, you could place any amount on the 6 or 8 and get full payment even if you didn't bet a multiple of 6. (e.g., bet $3, win $2.50, whereas at a table you'd only win $2.)
     
  7. Texas Gramma

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    I have found the blackjack game to be entertaining... very similar to a real game... without the companionship of others... unless the machine is full which I have never found it to be.
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    Don't waste your time on the craps game... played it at Binions and found it to be boring and a waste of my gambling hours... it is not exciting at all and nothing like a real craps game... a real craps table on a winning cycle is the most exciting and exhilarating gambling in Las Vegas.
     
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    It's absurd to me, but an ex pit boss buddy whose game of choice has always been craps, is now a big fan of those "fuzzy" machine dice games! Why? As he explained it to me, the machine generates player's points when playing both DO and the DON'T sides simultaneously!

    Personally, I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror if I played those things in lieu of the real game. And while playing both sides would be the most boring waste of time imaginable to me, he evidently considers the free meals and rooms (which he doesn't need) more valuable than the loss when the "12" appears. Go figure!:goofy:
     
  9. Kickin

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    On those big video blackjack machines with the virtual dealer, not only is it using a "real" virtual deck it also uses a real virtual shoe. I remember reading that one of those machines, it was in either Monte Carlo or Venetian. I can't remember exactly but I think it said it uses an 8 deck shoe and deals through 4 decks before shuffling. It also paid 3:2, I don't recall the other details but remember the rules weren't bad. The limits were low (like $5-$500 or something). I put a $100 in and doubled it before leaving because it was so friggin slow.
     
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    The rules at the Monte Carlo machine are better than any of the real table games under $25 limit. That's just crazy. The only down side to playing it is not having a fun dealer to mess with. Of course the up side is you don't have to mess with a crappy dealer!
    Speaking of dealers, there is no need to tip dealers at the machines, so that cuts down on bankroll drain. That adds up for me after sitting a real table for a long time.
     
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    I saw some sort of electronic poker table (NL hold em) with a real dealer. There was a guy sitting at third base playing on a touchscreen at NYNY.

    I really don't understand the passion about this sort of gaming. Why not competing at a real poker table at all?
     
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    This would be a huge savings for me also. I have a tendency to tip way to much when playing blackjack.

    I've never played a virtual BJ machine and would much rather play at a ”real" table. I might try one of these out but I can't see myself ever sitting at one for a long time like I can at a live table.

    I wonder how many years it will take for these to be the only option for low rollers?
     
  13. wrxrob

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    I read somewhere that the big shufflemaster BJ machines are more like a slot machine than a real table, with dictated hold percentages for each seat. This is why certain seats always get crap cards, while the dealer always pulls the miracle card (especially when playing heads-up).

    I don't touch these machines anymore. They were a neat novelty when table games were not yet legalized at the local casinos, but now there is no reason to play them.
     
  14. MikeOPensacola

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    When I gambled at Golden Gate in November they had a bubble craps game in the very back of the casino.
     
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    Conspiracy theorists stay away…

    I can confirm the bubble craps game was still at the Golden Gate as of last week, but it was virtually empty whereas the real tables were packed – I reckon most people prefer to actually toss the bones. I’ve personally played that machine a few times and had similar winning and losing sessions as with real dice, so believe the dice aren’t rigged, although a suspicious person could reasonably suspect that some well-placed magnets could screw you over big time. The computer could even change the loaded dice outcome if some players are betting the dark side. Anyway, I’m sure the Nevada Gaming Commission would never allow such a thing.
     
  16. WrongWayWade

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    This is pure speculation, backed up by nothing and would be illegal. Shufflemaster isn't going to create illegal machines and risk losing their business. Any electronic game that deals cards must do so in a random way (i.e. each card has an equal change of being dealt regardless), by law.
     
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