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Table Games draw to the royal

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by winner, Jan 20, 2013.

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  1. winner

    winner Low-Roller

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    several years ago i asked bob dancer if the cards are being "shuffled" during your decision to draw additional cards, his answer was they are being "shuffled". so my question do you draw right away or wait a little bit then hit the button to build suspense LOL
     
  2. C0usineddie

    C0usineddie VIP Whale

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    I have always thought that they were shuffled depending on what you held.

    Why not, we have no way to prove otherwise.
     
  3. Auggie

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    I don't wait.

    Yes, it would be more suspenseful, but the odds of actually making it are still pretty slim so I'd just draw to get it over with and move to the next hand.

    If you have four to the royal the odds are 1 in 47 (about a 2.1% chance) you will get the card you need. If you have only three to the royal the odds are 1 in 1081 (about a 0.09% chance) that you will get the two cards you need for the Royal Flush.
     
  4. WrongWayWade

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    The remaining 47 cards are always being shuffled until you hit the re-deal. If you are suggesting the machine looks at what you hold (3 jacks, for example) and then jimmies the shuffle to give you what you don't need (takes the 4th jack out of the shuffle and shuffles only 46), then that would be plainly illegal and it just isn't true.
     
  5. Kickin

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    I tend to wait a bit, not necessarily on purpose but more out of surprise and anticipation and like Auggie said it adds to the suspense. Obviously it doesn't matter how long or how little you wait. Random is random, there's no such thing as the cards being "more" or "less" random at any given time. But as someone who has played blackjack and some other table games almost exclusively it is both irritating and fascinating to think my fate is changed every fraction of a second instead of pre-determined as in blackjack. If you think about the constant random shuffle too much, every time you miss your 5th card to the royal (which will be the vast majority of times) you'll think "damn what if I just hit draw a half second earlier!" I've learned its part of the psychological screwing video poker does to you. Yet I'm still strangely drawn to it.
     
  6. warpdrvr

    warpdrvr Low-Roller

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    I also, more often than not, wait momentarily. It's usually because the wife is sitting next to me and I say, "look I got 4 to a royal, here goes nothing!"

    Then press the deal button...I like the little added suspense, makes it more fun for us. I do this when I'm trying for a 4OAK as well in our normal DDB game we play.
     
  7. vegas_junkie

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    Same here. VP is often somewhat of a social game for me, as I am usually playing next to someone I'm with.
     
  8. Tree DA

    Tree DA High-Roller

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    Wait...the cards are being reshuffled before the redraw??? I always thought there was one shuffle, and no matter whether you redeal or not the computer 'knew' the first ten cards in the deck and would give you them in that order (or as many of them as you called for on a given hand, but always the same order).
     
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    That "10-card" hold was true in the "older" VP machines, but the newer generation of machines does indeed have a constant re-shuffling after the initial deal.
     
  10. sstuna

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    That's what I thought as well, I guess it's my own fault when I don't get the cards I needed! :grrr:
     
  11. donof

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    The Drunken Actuary and sstuna are definitely correct. The cards are constantly being shuffled but once you start the hand.......it's over. The 5 cards you get dealt and your 5 draw cards are set. It has nothing to do with when you hit the draw button. That's why, if you make an error (Say you only hold 3 of the cards to royal and throw away the fourth).........they can go back and pay you the royal (if the first card that shows up is the one you needed). Don't misunderstand what I'm saying, when you hit the deal button to start a hand matters as the random number generator is constantly shuffled. The cards are definitely set once you start a hand though. I think the OP misunderstood Bob Dancer.
     
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    Not according to this cite: (The 47 cards are still shuffled until you hit redeal.)

    http://www.videopoker.com/learn/superstitions/

    The infamous Random Number Generator (RNG)

    The key to understanding how legitimate, traditional Class III* video poker games work is understanding the role and function of an RNG. This refers to games like IGT's Game King (www.igt.com) and Triple-Play Poker (www.actiongaming.com).

    The RNG is the hardest working device known, and it ensures a fair game every time. Its sole responsibility is to constantly shuffle the deck of 52 cards (or 53 in Joker Poker). This manic activity goes on and on UNTIL you hit the "deal" button. When you hit the deal button, the machine displays the 5 cards at the top of the deck at that precise moment. The RNG works all the time. Twenty-four hours a day. Three hundred and sixty-five days a year. Then it keeps on shuffling the remaining 47 cards(or 48 in Joker Poker) until you hit the deal button and the discarded slots are filled with whatever is at the top of the deck at that time.

    It is this highly regulated and closely monitored piece of technology that keeps all the games fair and mathematically predictable. There is no "pattern" and no strategy for how it works—it just constantly cycles random card combinations around until you hit “draw” and "deal." It is one of the keys to legalized gambling: It assures the regulatory bodies that casinos are offering fair games and assures you that you are playing a “legit” game.

    ALSO:

    Where do the "draw" cards come from?
    There are many theories about how cards are delivered when playing video poker in the “deal” and “draw” phases. Some people believe that ten cards are delivered, 5 pairs of two and when you “draw” your card is preselected. That is not true. Here’s the way it works…

    That busy little RNG (mentioned above) constantly shuffles the deck of cards whether you are playing or not. When you hit "deal", the shuffling stops and the top 5 cards are delivered. What happens next? The RNG goes back to work shuffling the dickens out of the remaining 47 cards. Where does 47 come from? You started with 52 cards minus the first 5 you were dealt, which gives you 47.

    Then when you hit “draw”, the remaining cards in the deck stop shuffling and however many discards you requested get delivered to you off the top of the remaining cards, into the card positions not “Held” by the player.

    It is as simple as that. No grassy knoll theories here.
     
  13. DonD

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    That is true. Years ago it wasn't that way though. There was a programmer that had set up a system that after a certain combination of plays were made it would deal a royal. He got too greedy and his party was over.
     
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