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Downtown is changing.

Discussion in 'Downtown Hotels & Casinos' started by Electroguy563, Apr 27, 2013.

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  1. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    I'm not sure I like it.:eek:

    The new and old zipline blocks the Canopy and creates traffic backflow.

    Vegas Club's casino is getting worse and might close down it's hotel operations

    Plaza is....I dunno, what are they doing? It's not attracting people.:Þ

    Golden Gate, The D, and Golden Nugget are transforming into Strip Properties (Nothing wrong with that, but I stay Downtown because it's different than Strip Properties.)

    Now I hear the Gold Spike might close.

    Binions only has a casino open. Hotel is closed.

    Costumed characters getting out of hand. Before there were Showgirls and Elvis's to take pictures with. Typical Vegas stuff. Now there's this gross looking out-of-shape guy with angel wings and a diaper....sigh...among others.:eek:

    Homeless and beggars were confined to the corners and alleyways of the Fremont Canopy with security monitoring, making sure they don't bother any-one. Not anymore. Now the beggars and homeless are in the middle of the Canopy complete with signs telling their "sad" story. Oh, and cash, please, no food, thank you.

    Sigh. I love Downtown. For the lower, no-frills gambling limits. For the laid back atmosphere, the generally friendlier employees, and cheap eats. Also the cheaper yet spartan rooms, and close proximity of various casinos.

    I don't want to lose this. But I'm concerned that this defining identity that is Downtown might change. To some it's a welcome change. To many it's a sign to look elsewhere.

    I see myself still staying Downtown in the near future. But deep inside me it looks like I'll be visiting it and staying off-strip if things continue on it's current trend.

    I'll be a tourist hanging out at the local casinos. Orleans, here I come!!:wave:
     
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  2. Joe

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    It's all perspective I guess. We just stayed 4 nights and the most annoying thing was the construction on Fremont for the zipline.

    Walked into the D and probably never would again unless they turn the music down.

    Nugget has always considered themselves a Strip property, downtown. That's why we don't ever set foot in the place, but it's nothing new.

    Plaza & Vegas-what can you say? They are just clueless.

    We still had a good time, except for the losing of course. As far as remote properties, we enjoy Orleans & Suncoast, but transportation and drinking become an issue. I know buses and cabs but I enjoy the convenience of just walking down the street to another casino 200 ft away.

    We enjoy Golden Gate, Four Queens, Binions & ElCo, so plenty of options still available.
     
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    I agree. I love downtown but have been confining most of my recent gaming to El Cortez for a combination of the concerns stated above. I am going to Vegas 8 days and am going to start exploring satellite casino options for the first time in a long time. Downtown seems to want to be a mini strip as of late. I don't drink, and drive my car to Vegas so getting from one solitary location to the next is no problem. Vegas has always seemed to be evolving and free-form so you just gotta roll with the punches.
     
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    Gold Spike is already closed, I believe.
     
  5. DonD

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    Vegas Club rooms are closed for the summer, but they will likely reopen in the fall, at least for weekends. I wish the company running/ruining the LVC / Plaza would sell to someone interested in running good casinos. I do, however, like the remodeled Plaza rooms. Asbestos prevents a Binion's remodel. Room supply continues to exceed demand downtown, a situation which will only get worse for operators when (if?) Lady Luck reopens.

    There is demand for the dancing girl pits at the GG/D/GN, and if you drink a lot, the noise is not as much of a factor. They actually have decent BJ rules at GG and very good rules at GN (including surrender) - much better than pits and many regular games on the strip.

    There are more bums than in the past, but far less bums and other moochers found these days clogging the strip. The two times I was approached for money in a casino was at NYNY and Bellagio.

    If you don't drink, you can branch elsewhere, but locals casinos are not as fun, and become depressing after a day or two.

    Downtown properties have spent a lot of money refurbishing rooms offered at lower prices than many Strip properties offering run down rooms, offer a wide variety of great gambling (BJ @ EL Cortez, VP @ Boyd/4 Queens, $5 Craps & Roulette), offer great dining values (from Redwood to Magnolia's, Pasta Pirate, MSS Buffet and Binion's Grill) and the opportunity to drink and gamble at a dozen casinos within the same walking distance as Caesars Palace or Aria to the Strip.

    All things considered, I will continue to enjoy spending a portion of upcoming trips staying and playing in Downtown Las Vegas.

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    If a single word epitomizes all of Vegas, it's "change;" and of course, not everyone shares the same opinions regarding the changes. While somewhat cool at first, the entire FSE has turned into nothing but a giant freak show – to be kind. I dread threading my way through the "tourists" and "residents" just going between casinos in the evening. For me, the only positives in the last several years have been the renovations at the Fremont and El Co. Like Joe wrote, I won't even walk into the D or Nugget anymore.

    I used to stay downtown all the time, but in recent years have preferred off-Strip. If not for the same basic atmosphere and decent games at the three downtown Boyd properties, I'd probably frequent downtown as often as the Strip; that is, close to zero!
     
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    For what it's worth - I think the changes on east fremont are a good trend.
     
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    Whoops – I should have mentioned that! However, I care a lot more about the gambling conditions than anything else and never have to go out of my way to "buy" a drink.
     
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    I actually like what's happening at the D and I don't mind the zip line. But the changes at GG are silly to me - it just makes the place seem even more cramped. They should have gone elegant boutique in there instead. I like that downtown is turning into a place where you aren't dependent on staying under the canopy for entertainment. Some of the movement is happening too fast but at least most of the owners are making thoughtful moves that shouldn't bankrupt them long term.
     
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    I used to be a strip only guy for years and years. Then maybe 5 or 6 years ago, I started spending at least a night or two downtown gambling. It was just more fun, better odds, easier to casino hop, less ******baggery, less of a hassle, etc. The last few years, I almost exclusively stay downtown at least a couple nights if not the entire trip. I dont care if I even make it to the strip anymore. I like downtown better.

    To your point, downtown is definitely changing. Most of the changes are for the better in my opinion. No, I dont like the proliferation of bums and dress up characters, but I can easily ignore them. Even the strung out dude who appears to be a herion junkie wearing panties and a camasole.:eek: I can also ignore the drug dealers and hookers who approach me every trip, but you get that on the strip too if you are out all night like me. And at least there arent the multitudes of tuberculosis ridden people trying to hand me porn cards. (Note: I am not a prude and not against porn, hookers, drugs, or people hustling for a living, but I dont want it pushed on me)

    That said, some of the older joints downtown, needed an infusion of cash. Many were run down and simply dated. The LVC, the Plaza, Fitzgeralds, etc were dumps that desperately needed a redo. You can see for yourself what Derek Stevens has done with the GG and The D. The Plaza went from the worst rooms to the best rooms downtown. The Cabana Suites at El Cortez are definitely cool. The new bars including Downtown Cocktail Room, Insert Coins, Griffin, Commonwealth, etc, the restraunts, venues, hotel renovations, casino dancer/dealers, all give the downtown area while not an upscale feel at least a nice cool vibe. You dont feel like you need to take a shower after walking around down there anymore. You still find better gambling odds and better service and still have very economical choices for the cost conscious.

    Change is inevitable, but I am REALLY liking most of the changes I see downtown.
     
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    The gambling is better on the strip for blackjack players. See thecarve's thread in gaming. Downtown is better if you want really low minimums though.
     
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    I agree, and luckily our home properties are Main Street Station and the Cal, where we have peace & quiet away from the zoo. Trying to take a walk down Fremont St. for a meal, or another casino has become a real chore, with the extended bars, costumed people, and the ongoing expansion of the damn Zipline. We like the Four Queens, and I can even put up with the LVC and Plaza, but they need to upgrade their casinos. And, the ELCO has always been a nice oasis, if only we didn't have to pass through the "mine-field" to get there. What a mess ....
     
  14. PeterNY

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    I play between 2 and 7 AM usually downtown. I dislike crowding at tables / bathrooms / slots / restaurants. It is too bad so many places are closing down but that is Vegas: perpetual change. Anyways still plenty of fun places. :beer:
     
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    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    Downtown Changing

    Some of the biggest changes are being orchestrated by Tony Hsieh, the Zappos founder who lives in the Ogden and is moving Zappos' headquarters downtown into the old city hall building. He's been buying property like mad east of El Cortez and southeast of the downtown casinos. His vision is to reestablish an urban community downtown.

    What will be interesting is to see how that meshes with the gaming establishments that will border his holdings. Hopefully his redevelopment will create a buffer for Fremont and immediate environs that will move the less desirable elements further away. Probably won't change the bums/beggars/costumed crazies factor much, but may at least expand the safe walking zones and non-gambling options significantly.
     
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    The city / county should come up with ways to get rid of the bums and other undesirables. It makes for a very uncomfortable experience in my opinion. :grrr:
     
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    I agree with most of the posters here... as far as getting your money's worth and just relaxing and having a good time, it's getting to where you're much better off going to the Lake Tahoe area. Nice casinos, beautiful country, boat trips on the lake, etc. Check out Harvey's sometime at www.harveystahoe.com - GORGEOUS place, without all the human cesspool Vegas has become.
     
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    Eddie deserves a hell of a lot better than that, playing with Puddle of Mudd, et al :wink2:
     
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    I think the changes Downtown are great. And, I hope they keep coming.

    Bill
     
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