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Done with the Cosmo - Need New Casino!

Discussion in 'Comps' started by zeromilepost, Jan 12, 2015.

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  1. zeromilepost

    zeromilepost Tourist

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    Hello everyone-
    This post will seem whiney and definitely a first world problem but nevertheless looking for some advice. I've got a group of 6 core guys that go to Vegas 1-2 times a year. We've been hitting the Cosmo the last 2-3 years and after the last trip, we decided we need a change. Primary because we take a beating there and second the comps have definitely been reduced (the host we had was let go).
    Looking for any recommendations for a new home. Obviously, we've been to other casinos and have different impressions.

    Here are our priorities:
    1) Gambling
    - Needs to have Double Deck Blackjack with true BJ payouts. None of this 6:5 crap.
    - Fun craps tables
    - A great atmosphere. More party than pretentious. But not necessary frat party either. Think PH but without the riff raff.
    - Limit wise - a good mix. $25+ for BJ

    2) Comps/Host
    - 4 of the core are the primary gamblers. Not low but not high rollers either. I would say we are mostly black chip players. I'm probably around $150-$250 a hand of blackjack. Anywhere between 4-6 hours a day.
    - The 4 usually carry a line of credit around $10K at the casino. Beats ATM limits and carrying around all that cash.
    - We usually get our rooms comped upfront even during the busiest time of the year. Upgrades to suites are very nice but not expected. The other two chumps will pay for their room.
    - A host that somewhat cares. Not looking for any meet and greets or even hand holding service. Just be upfront and transparent. Respond to emails/text. I've been through a couple of hosts and they really do make or break the experience.
    - A comped meal or two would be nice.

    3) Crowd
    - We are all in our early 40s and looking to hang out with fun people. A couple of the guys are still single and looking to talk to women (30-40s). They are not trying to pick up 20 year olds but like to think they can. Cosmo was great but always a little young.
    - Not really club guys. Lounge and bar is more the scene. Probably stayed at the Cosmo a dozen times and never been to the Marquee.
    - Pool scene would be great during the summer months.


    Thoughts? Recommendations?
     
  2. LoveDowntownVegas

    LoveDowntownVegas Low-Roller

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    I'm a downtown guy. I love downtown but some people aren't into that.

    Items 1 and 2 can be covered at the D and Golden Gate. Item 3 is also covered by them less the pool. pools aren't much downtown.
    I'm in my early 40's and love the atmosphere at both places, but I don't do anything other than people watch, sports watch, and gamble. I don't play golf, don't do fancy food, etc. i'm there to have a good time and use the majority of my budget on gambling.
    I have great hosts at both properties and i'm a $25-$50 BJ player (usually AVG ends up about $40 per trip).

    that's a quick nutshell. don't want to waste time if downtown isn't your thing, but if you're interested I can PM you host contact info.
     
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  3. azbob

    azbob Low-Roller

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    Other than location, I think the M meets those requirements...wasn't sure if you were limited to the strip or not. M has a good variety of restaurants, they pour a good drink and even though it does cater to locals, there are a lot of younger people. If you do get a car, consider checking in and then getting Enterprise to pick you up from their Eastern Ave or Exec airport site to save the fees and perhaps cut off a day or two from your rental term. M does have a shuttle to the strip.

    Other out of the box thought is the Tropicana which has been highly upgraded and, particularly in the summer is a younger hangout with a Miami Beach vibe.
     
  4. pleepleus

    pleepleus 2016 - The monkey is back

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    The Tropicana is surprisingly much better than I thought. The Biscayne steakhouse is pretty solid. Their slots seem to be relatively loose compared to other places I play. There is also a very good host there we could recommend that would style you out. They have skyloft style suites if that is what you are looking for.
     
  5. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    Well, that's a lot of different demands, but at least you know what you're looking for. I'll offer my two cents for each category:

    GAMBLING: I assume the best DD rules is not the priority (because that would not be Cosmo). Just make sure the payouts are 3:2. And fun craps. I would suggest MGM Grand or Aria. For a good party atmosphere, you can go with MGM grand, Wynn, or Planet Hollywood. But IMO, the Wynn comps are pretty tight compared to the competition, and comps seem pretty important to you.

    COMPS/HOST: There are good and bad hosts at every property. As far as comps go, obviously the lower the tier of the property, the more comps you are likely to get. So you may want to look at mid-tier places.

    CROWD: Lots of places have a good mix in the crowd. That and a pool scene, the list gets shorter. probably Aria, MGM Grand, Wynn and Caesars Palace best fit this combination. The pool at Planet Hollywood is a joke.

    Overall, I think MGM Grand is probably your best bet. They have very good BJ rules, a party crowd (both club and lounge), a big pool scene, and a ton of rooms to fill which means a better chance at getting the comps you want.
     
  6. RockyBalboa

    RockyBalboa VIP Whale

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    I would look into Venetian and Palazzo.

    I love staying there. The rooms are fantastic and the casinos have a good vibe. Venetian is usually more upbeat and energetic whereas Palazzo will be quieter. Since you're a black chipper you won't have a problem finding good blackjack (their sub $25 tables switched to the 6:5 last year). I am mainly a craps player and the crews are excellent.

    Aria is also a place with a great vibe that fits what you're looking for.
     
  7. Packer

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    For what YOU are looking for I would suggest in this order.. Aria, Venetian, Mgm, Wynn and maybe even SLS..
     
  8. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    Hadn't considered SLS. Probably because I don't know enough about it, lol. I know you love Wynn, but I worry the OP would be disappointed by the comps. Comps just seem harder to get there, especially at his level, when compared to other options. But its a great property

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    Hadn't considered SLS. Probably because I don't know enough about it, lol. I know you love Wynn, but I worry the OP would be disappointed by the comps. Comps just seem harder to get there, especially at his level, when compared to other options. But its a great property
     
  9. Packer

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    Totally agree UK. That's why it was #4 on the list. On my list Wynn is #1. SLS didn't even make my personal list!
     
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  10. zeromilepost

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    Thanks everyone for their suggestions. Please keep them coming.

    Here’s some of the perceptions of some of the places you guys are recommending. Some could be totally off base. Would love to hear your views:

    Aria
    • Probably my second favorite place to gamble in terms of tables and BJ odds.
    • The casino feels sterile/cold. Never feels that exciting in there.
    • The comps at my level have been ok. I’ve gotten free rooms but pretty basic. Never gotten a host there.
    • I’ve heard the hosts are terrible there. Would love any referrals for someone at my level.

    PH
    • Probably the best atmosphere in terms of crowd and dancers
    • Does bring in a few amateurs gamblers
    • The rooms there are terrible
    • Have never gotten anything special from my hosts there. Been through two different ones.
    • Love the free play there though.

    Venetian
    • I hear the comp system there is TERRIBLE.

    Downtown
    • Probably been 10 years since I’ve been down there. Heard there have been lots of renovations.
    • Perception is that while the gambling is probably good – there are LOTS of old people (sorry) and the low limits bring in the amateurs

    MGM Grand
    • Been probably 5 years since I have been there.
    • I found the place too big and spread out. Didn’t feel a party vibe.

    Trop/Bally/Paris/Caesars/NYNY
    • Second Tier places that look/feel like graveyards

    SLS
    • Never been. Seen mixed reviews.
    • No clue what the comps look like.

    Wynn/Bellagio
    • First rate. Top Tier.
    • Older crowd
    • We would be small fish so comps there would be tight.
     
  11. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    Don't agree with some of these assessments, but for the most part its just a matter of opinion. The only assessment I think is demonstrably wrong are the ones you rate as "second tier". I'm no fan of CET across the board, but I think everyone agrees CP is a much higher tier than PHo. It doesn't have the party casino vibe of PHo, but I think the general consensus is that it ranks ahead of PHo. As for Ballys and NYNY, those are third tier, not second. You have so much that you're looking for, it would probably help to prioritize what you want most. For example, if a party casino is most important, go with PHo. if better BJ rules are most important, look to Aria. Or perhaps best yet, try a couple different places your next two trips. That way you can compare. My personal rankings in order of preference are: Aria, MGM Grand, Wynn, Cosmo, Mandalay Bay, and Venetian.
     
  12. PHVHost

    PHVHost CET Casino Host

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    If you are looking to try something new hit me up. I can do my best to make the transition as painless as possible. It can be tough switching casinos that you have history with and starting from scratch.

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    And I can book at all 9 of our properties not just PH
     
  13. darrenfromindy

    darrenfromindy Low-Roller

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    No offense, Hunter. But the OP is looking for GOOD double-deck blackjack. PH and the other CET properties don't offer that (they won't let you double down after splitting). Booh! This would be a deal-breaker for most serious players.
     
  14. LoveDowntownVegas

    LoveDowntownVegas Low-Roller

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    Lots has changed in 10 years.

    There are no more old people downtown as there are on the strip.
    If you want to avoid low limits, enjoy the scenery from the high limit pits at either the GG or the D. Both are typically $25 min bet with some higher limit options on the weekends. this eliminates amateurs.

    My original attraction to downtown was the fact that I could be a low limit gambler and still get comps. It's not for everyone, but if you haven't been in 10 years it's worth one night to try either of the places mentioned.
     
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  15. firstkill

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    I think the comps at v/p are decent for black chip players... I don't stay my self due to poor luck there.
    But free rooms with limit fb or free play r reasonable.

    Mgm is a good mix. I think ph has good energy but poor gaming.
     
  16. JR Swift

    JR Swift High-Roller

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    For that level, I would think you would do really well slightly off-strip (and enjoy the scenery) at either the Hard Rock or Palms. Gamble at a much lower level than you all and have gotten decent offers from both. Not sure about BJ rules so you'd have to check that out but both places are a lot of fun.
     
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    I used to play at Caesars, but V/P just drew me in. They offer a lot and have always offer 3 comped days every offer. Also FP and sometimes FB credits or even a free cruise. I am a $25-$50 BJ player. If you play DD 3:2, then Palazzo is $50 min., but not a problem for you since you should be playing in the HL salon. I recall a few times playing some ladies and gentlemen taking $20k-$40k markers and betting $500 per hand while I was on the same table only doing $50. Venetian has more action, but smoky. I prefer the Palazzo as the ceiling is higher and less crowded. I am in my early 30s and my wife likes Palazzo better. We have not tried the Cosmo, but keep reading on his board that they offer some of the better comps.
     
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