1. Welcome to VegasMessageBoard
    It appears you are visiting our community as a guest.
    In order to view full-size images, participate in discussions, vote in polls, etc, you will need to Log in or Register.

Do you think how you look affects comps

Discussion in 'Comps' started by BCeagle, Feb 13, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. BCeagle

    BCeagle Tourist

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2013
    Messages:
    62
    Location:
    NJ
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    15
    I go out to Vegas at least once a year and me and my best friend play almost exactly the same (he may go an extra 15-30min a day tops but we tend to play the exact same table and play the same amounts. I get casino rates and the occasional R while he gets a full RFB? Am I not asking correctly, look too like a dad? or am I just paranoid.
     
  2. mike_m235

    mike_m235 Tourist

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    2,421
    Location:
    Colorado Springs
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    12
    What's your game?
     
  3. BCeagle

    BCeagle Tourist

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2013
    Messages:
    62
    Location:
    NJ
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    15
    Blackjack player.

    Sorry for the delayed response, wife made me go get dinner :)
     
  4. VegasLambie

    VegasLambie Tourist

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2013
    Messages:
    47
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    25
    Do you pay at different rates? Does he use a different betting strategy? Does he sneak down and play slots?
     
  5. BCeagle

    BCeagle Tourist

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2013
    Messages:
    62
    Location:
    NJ
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    15
    I probably play more slots than him, he plays none.

    He will push bets more often and double down on wins occasionally where he will keep doubling a bet when he wins, whereas I would add a percentage of each win if I am on a roll.

    I always assumed it was because he checked his play constantly and kept a dialogue open with hosts.
     
  6. ardee

    ardee VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    2,408
    Location:
    SoCal
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    88
    No. How you look doesn't effect comps.

    How much you play (and for how long), where you're playing and what you play affects comps.
     
  7. BCeagle

    BCeagle Tourist

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2013
    Messages:
    62
    Location:
    NJ
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    15
    Thats what I figure but it is odd, I think it is more that he stays on top of the pit bosses more checking times.
     
  8. mike_m235

    mike_m235 Tourist

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    2,421
    Location:
    Colorado Springs
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    12
    Pressing can have a huge impact on your rating.

    But blackjack is usually at least close to accurate, so it's hard to say. At craps two people could bet the same and be rated difference without a doubt...I just don't see how the same is true at BJ.
     
  9. JDinTN

    JDinTN MIA

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2012
    Messages:
    338
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    10
    This is right. Since the pit doesn't record every single bet if they update his average with a few of his big bets down his average could be a lot bigger than yours. But there must be more to it since you say you play the same amounts -- even if they have him down at a higher average since its not so obvious to you it probably isn't too much higher.

    There is a big difference between your comps -- casino rate or occasional room and his comps of RFB. If you were RFL and he had some lower level of RFB that could be explained easier. If he keeps on top of the pit about his rating that helps but unless he's tipping a ton more than you its highly unlikely they rate him significantly higher than his play is worth. In any case then his tips probably cost more than his comps are worth so its not going to be worth it for you to copy just for better comps. How sure are you that he isn't playing a lot more when you're not around? I obviously don't know your bud but it is a common thing where people act like they're getting huge comps without a lot of play. I guess it makes them think people will assume they are just specially loved by the casinos for no financial reason or somehow just luckier than everyone else.

    Is he a lot younger than you? A host of mine once told me he tries harder to forge loyalties with younger players who he thinks will keep playing bigger and bigger over time. Does he play on an LOC while you play cash? That can be part of it.
     
  10. LAV

    LAV Tourist

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2011
    Messages:
    593
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    100
    Simple answer to your question is: No, how you look does not affect your comps.
     
  11. 2smooth

    2smooth Tourist

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2013
    Messages:
    23
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    15
    I beg to differ. I play with female friends who are attractive, think of girls in their twenties that are dressed to go clubbing, and they get a higher rating than I do. They earn express comps way faster than I do and they play primarily pai gow at the green chip level. I play black chip bj. I can sympathize with the casino though. Keep the hotties playing, that attracts the male counterpart that will play also but bigger. Sex sells. But this is all irrelevant to us men.
     
  12. ardee

    ardee VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2007
    Messages:
    2,408
    Location:
    SoCal
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    88
    ...and in what way do these female friends get comps because they are attractive?
     
  13. JDinTN

    JDinTN MIA

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2012
    Messages:
    338
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    10
    Whatever girls 2smooth plays with are an aberration. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've seen sexy 20-something club girls gambling for any length of time much less having a rating card and handing it over. The occasional girl like that who does gamble at tables is usually at roulette, craps or some carny game -- not strategy games like pai gow. Even then it's rare especially for those 20-something girls to be playing green chips. It's usually them playing reds and every guy trying to help them out :evillaugh
     
  14. mike_m235

    mike_m235 Tourist

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    2,421
    Location:
    Colorado Springs
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    12
    Anyone who makes a definitive statement one way or the other is just guessing at this. Ratings have a subjective component to them, because there's a person who has to enter them. Who's to say what has an effect on that person?
     
  15. Lsucrazyman

    Lsucrazyman Tourist

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2011
    Messages:
    64
    Location:
    Baton rouge
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    150
    Not so sure about looks but being friendly and courteous can help....... Mama said u catch more flys with honey
     
  16. mikeinctown

    mikeinctown Low-Roller

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2013
    Messages:
    235
    Location:
    Cleveland
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    9
    QFT. The friendlier you are, the more you can generally get, in anything, not just the casino. :ssst:
     
  17. bacclover

    bacclover Tourist

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2012
    Messages:
    59
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    1
    IIRC Pai Gow (cards or tiles) has H.A. in the low 2% zone. BJ could easily be rated at barely 0.6% HA. So having your black chip action rated similarly to their green chip action is not too far fetched.
     
  18. rittermd

    rittermd Low-Roller

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2011
    Messages:
    139
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    125
    Looks no - being nice - yes

    Get to know your pit bosses and be very friendly and nice.

    Ill give a real life example. One of the roulette pitbosses I always chat with had a question about her chest xray. I expalined every thing and told he she should be ok. She said to me - make a $500 bet on red or black. The she told me to take my time placing my chips on my numbers. She then said to the dealer "How much is he betting this roll?" The dealer called out $700 (that was the actual bet).

    After she updated my play in the computer, she said - let me comp you lunch. She had me leave my chips on the table (under one of those clear boxes)

    We are, came back and got my chips and went out.

    The next day she told me she leaft me logged into the computer for 7 hours with and average bet of $700/spin on roulette

    The comps rolled in - it was great!!!
     
  19. Nevyn

    Nevyn VIP Whale

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2007
    Messages:
    4,187
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    9
    Yeah, it sounds like

    a) Because he presses more aggressively, he has a higher average bet than you.

    b) Because he asks the pit bosses how he is being rated and talks to them, they will probably take note more of how his bets are changing. So even though you also press (less aggressively), you might be getting marked down with your average bet being your base bet.


    It is impossible to say how other things factor in. There is no way that the casino has set rules on "give attractive people more comps", or "give girls more comps" or anything silly like that. They care about how much you bet, for how long, and the house edge against you.

    BUT, ratings are put in by human beings based on their observations, and thus subjective. So who can say how those can change? It would depend on the pit boss. I would think many of them on a conscious level think they are treating everyone the same. But any number of little biases based on how you look, how you act, how you tip, and even mood considerations unrelated to you could impact how favourably they put in your averages.
     
  20. VegasKing

    VegasKing Low-Roller

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2008
    Messages:
    419
    Trips to Las Vegas:
    100
    Also, tipping the dealer makes a difference. Usually, if someone is a good tipper, they will put a + next to your name to represent that you tip well. This has some influence on comps, but it is probably marginal.
     
Tags:
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.