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Table Games Do you chart tables before you play?

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Electroguy563, Jul 17, 2016.

  1. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    I'm a craps player and I do this. Sometimes I wonder if people think I'm nuts. I won't just saunter up to a table if there's openings and start to play. What I do is watch first. From afar. Like a fricken predator, lol! Most times I'll take up a VP machine close by and play while watching the table. I got to a point where I can tell when a player is on a long roll or when there is PSO's (point, seven out) one after another, just by watching the players and the stickman.

    Sometimes I just laugh at myself because I think it's very noticeable when I do this. I often wonder if the dealers and boxman find it amusing. There were many times when I felt it was a good time to jump in the craps game that I would forget my players card and TITO in the machine in my haste to get to the table. Then I would excuse myself to go get the card and TITO.:haha:

    I also chart the players. I usually won't play with those who looks like they are still learning. The games don't flow smoothly because of the questions and mistakes that happen. But there are some superstitions that somehow always deliver: a newbie tends to get extremely lucky when playing. I always bet on them and most times it nets a pretty good profit.

    I play at certain casinos regularly to the point that the seasoned players all know each other and will jump in when the others do. The game flows smoothly with minimum stops in action.


    So my question is, if you are a table player, do you chart the tables? Or do you just jump in and hope that the variance is on your side? Just curious if others behave like I do or am I just strange.....:headbang:
     
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  2. UKFanatic

    UKFanatic The Arbiter of Taste Caviar Kid

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    I don't do it, but I also don't think you're strange to do so. I rarely see it in vegas, but in Tunica I see players all the time tracking the results in craps and roulette.
     
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    That's pretty easy to spot, since the dice move to a new shooter. All you can tell is the past. Not the future, unless, you believe in dice setting.

    Personally I don't play much craps, but I pick my table by population. I like a table with 3 or so players on each end. I don't like empty tables, nor do I like trying to squeeze in at crowded tables.
     
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  4. Electroguy563

    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    I've seen dice setters roll for close to an hour. And then I've seen that same dice setter PSO constantly on another session. I'm on the fence on that one. But yeah, we can only know the past, not the future but all I can do is look for some trends that hopefully will last for a while.
     
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    tringlomane STP Addicted Beer Snob

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    It's really, really hard to defy physics on objects that weigh about 10 grams each.
     
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  6. LoveVeGa

    LoveVeGa Tourist

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    I scount the craps table for the min bet or the max odds.

    I do not worry the table was hot or cold.

    Will play with the flow of the table. If the shooter was hot, will play passline with the numbers.


    If the table was cold, will play the don't and numbers.

    Do not care what the others play...
     
  7. vegasvic

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    I never do. A "hot" table can turn "cold" on the next roll and vice versa. We've all seen that happen.
     
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  8. Nevyn

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    Its not strange, just superstitious.
     
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    Yeah I don't think it's "nuts". We all have our superstitions whether one admits it or not. Outside of a casino I have none. At a craps table I never ever hold my drink with my shooting hand (which varies depending on where I am at a table). I don't want to "cool" it off. I also swear to God that every time my eyes wander to a hot waitress walking by the dice 7 out.
     
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    Hobofrank Prime Minister of Idiocracy

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    as a right-handed dice setter?
    I look for stick left..if I'm not going to get the dice for 45 mins?..I'll walk
    hot or cold table means very little to me, but a table crowded with drunks or rookies ( or god forbid both)
    has always ended any hot rolls I've been on
    "I'll give you a green chip to stfu and leave, it's not the dealers fault you can't count ..." is a phrase I've uttered more than once:D
     
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    smerrian Low-Roller

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    OP: It's all just part of the gambling game; it makes the experience more fun to you. Avoiding a table with newbies or drunks makes sense as the flow of the game stays steadier although your view of a newbie having a better chance at a good roll is just plain hogwash. Half of what you do makes sense, the other half is just superstition...but enjoy yourself.
     
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    I always check out the table before I start to play. I don't play on a table that seems to be "cold". By cold I mean it goes through a number of shooters that crap out early. If you read DICE DOCTOR they tell you to wait until a shooter "qualifies" himself (usually has to throw a few good numbers to qualify) and I usually watch and see if a shooter qualifies. When he craps out I again wait for the next shooter to qualify, just playing pass line and maybe a come (and maybe 6 and 8 place) before I start to put down bigger bets.

    Yeah, I know it's superstition but that's the way I feel. I normally walk about the different casinos downtown and on the strip before I start to play. Funny because sometimes I will walk down the strip looking for a good table and sometimes will end up not playing much because the tables don't look "warm" or "hot".

    But then there are other things I watch out for. I watch out for the "don't" bettors, I don't want to be near one of them when I play. I also watch out for the smokers on the table, also don't want to be near them too, esp cigar smokers, nothing turns me off like a cigar smoker next to me. Like bj if I find people making questionable moves or bets I will also move on since I don't want to be distracted by these people. Once I saw someone making pass and don't pass bets on the same roll. Guess he figured breaking even (?) was the better deal?

    But then I do the same thing on the bj table, check the other players and how they play, check the person at 3rd base, etc.
     
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    if I had as much money as I did brains, I could afford to play craps...but until then, I have to stick to UTH...
    at UTH, it doesn't matter much...no one knows how to play it!
     
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    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    Unless you're lucky.
     
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    Royal Flusher Savvy Gambler

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    I scout the tables and look at how many chips are in the racks. If the racks are filling up, I'm more likely to jump in.
     
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    I don't like slow tables. Sometimes it's the players, sometimes the dealers. Regardless, I don't like waiting a minute, or more, between rolls.
     
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    I actually love slow tables, only because I lose less quickly :blah:
     
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  18. vegasvic

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    Yeah I get that. The less rolls the less you lose in theory. I just get bored.
     
  19. Nevyn

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    And even under the assumption it can be done, it is even harder to tell which guys are able to do it, and which ones just happen to be on a hot roll based on a couple minutes observation.

    Superstition is fine. And finding a hot craps table does have one tangible benefit. May not be more or less likely to win, but more likely to find people in a good mood and having fun.
     
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    When I'm scouting for a table I'm looking more at the table minimum, and if it's open enough that I can get a spot, that's about it...

    Sometimes when I'm on a table and I'm losing I will start using the 5 count system to "qualify" shooters. But I don't really think it will find me a hot shooter, mostly it just slows my roll, so to speak. It's like when you're out at a bar and have a glass of water every other drink.

    But I don't think you're nuts, and probably most people at the casino wouldn't think you are. I don't think you're necessarily helping yourself find a hot shooter... but you are essentially playing less, so in the long run you are losing less!
     
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