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Table Games Do you believe in dice control ???

Discussion in 'Table Games' started by Casinobum, Jan 15, 2016.

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  1. Casinobum

    Casinobum Tourist

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    I remember hearing stories about a guy called the " Dominater " claims he can control the roll...heres my take on it...I believe setting the dice and throwing with a consistant movement may eliminate some 7's (which is good) but there is no way to get rid of them all...WTH I set em anyway, I have had some monster rolls and some not so good rolls...whats your take ???
     
  2. Hobofrank

    Hobofrank Prime Minister of Idiocracy

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    Influence? Yes
    Telekinesis? F no
    But going from a Seven every 6th roll? To every 7th or 8th roll, negates the HA

    I'll live with that
     
  3. Casinobum

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    Agreed Hobofrank...I use the flying V most of the time...I have a friend who calls it the Wounded Buzzard...LOL
     
  4. flyguyfl

    flyguyfl Low-Roller

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    I believe some control is possible but it is slight. If you can toss them exactly the same each time and hit for a soft sliding landing against the wall that has to help.
     
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    Within reason, yes.

    I choose to call it rhythm shooting more than control.

    I have a set rhythm that I engage in and it's allowed me to have some pretty decent long rolls. Do I PSO? Of course. But I've had some really good results with my sets.

    I notice that when I'm shooting Flying V and I seven out most of the time it is the 6-1. Also when I'm doing mini v I'm more apt to hitting outside numbers.
     
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    Do a search as this topic pops up every few months and the responses range from both ends of the spectrum and the responses are all usually the same.
     
  7. NickPapageorgio

    NickPapageorgio OG of the Sal Sagev Hotel

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    Complete nonsense. There is no advantage and there is no such thing as dice control. Once they tumble, there are too many variables outside of the precision throw. The foam fingers, approach angle, height, velocity, wear of the felt, humidity etc all contribute to Dice rolls remaining random.

    Nick:beer:
     
  8. mrem3200

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    This ^^^^
     
  9. woodsie

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    I don't think it's a coincidence that you never hear any about any actual studies on the technique. If there was any legitimacy to the technique, it'd be worth it to buy a table, put in your basement, and record the results of 1,000 tosses.

    People who think it works never offer anything but anecdotes. Also, if it even worked a little bit you'd have people who did nothing but dice control for a living and put in 8 hours a day. I'd say having a day job is evidence enough that you aren't influencing the dice positively.

    Don't get me wrong, I want to believe.
     
  10. Franken Dean

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    I want to believe as well, but in my years of experience I have seen no one doing it. Yes some guys setb ice but they are not tossing in consistent manner, so it will be random. Even if a rainman shooter was at my table, I would be bored waiting for his roll only. In a nutshell, I will take a female rookie shooter any day.
     
  11. tex55

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    Been shooting dice over 20 years, and I don't believe it is possible. There is too much randomness for this practice to be effective on a long-term basis.
     
  12. Rush

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    In 20 years, have you ever been at a table where you couldn't wait for the dice to get back around to that "lucky guy"?..........
     
  13. Hobofrank

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    Lol
    I use 3V with wide part facing the back wall
    There's actually a program out there that lets you track practice rolls called SmartCraps and guys that have actual tables at home (not just makeshift "shooting boxes) that practice a lot outside of casino play

    A major factor in advantage craps play is not betting on every random rollers, waiting and betting only on what they call a qualified shooter can reduce your losses between hot rolls

    But in more than a few ways dice influence resembles card counting on a shoe....even crard counters that dont get asked to leave arent garaunteed to win all the time and i bet there are plenty of people that think they can and more importantly Do count, that do neither
    But if we based our opinion onthe experiences of 6-8 deck shoe counters? We say that was impossible as well
    Yet the kids from MIT showed there were ways to count a shoe
     
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    Scoblete even admits that the only edge in waiting for qualified shooters is in trying to game the rating system and get rated for 100% of the rolls when you're only betting on 40%.
     
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    Electroguy563 Over-Fried Gambler

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    I want to believe but sadly, no. I've seen too many "chuck and duck" rollers throw for over an hour and dice setters with an admirable soft touch and landing technique PSO in two throws.

    I do believe it is beneficial to everyone at the table if you would kindly control the dice to the point that it stays on the table. Unless you purposely aim for the cleavage of that good looking woman (or man, if that's your preference....) :poke::beer:
     
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    I used to believe that it was possible to control the dice. I through over 10,000 throws trying to control the dice Ran some analysis and came to the conclusion that I was random and dice control is not possible, at least by me
     
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    Hobofrank Prime Minister of Idiocracy

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    Frank also says it to preserve your BR for the good rolls

    But Yeah..people set dice and think that's it and dont really try to soft throw. ...useless

    I was at a lightly populated table at Cosmo Sunday morning with Leslie Chow around 3am?
    So its me and him Stick L1-2 arond like 5 people on the wall and both hooks down the other end.
    3 out of the 5 "shooters" set the dice AND THEN SHOOK THEM IN THEIR HANDS AFTERWARDS
    Cant make that shit up.....i made money on my rolls and so did they
    ....their rolls? I bet only the field and made money on 80% of these fools
    Kiss of death was this one 30ish girl Stick R1 that took 3 mins each time to set before shaking the dice then bitched at the dealers for her own mistake (this was a great and friendly crew and i was toking accordingly)
    . .even though i lost a few hundred in come bets?
    I was happy to see her 7 out....colored and walked (dealers all looked at me and said good move)

    I wish HL had craps tables when nitwits like her come by and cool the whole table to freezing
     
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    Hobofrank Prime Minister of Idiocracy

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    I still think dice influence, control whatever is like golf or batting practice at cages
    Practice can make a bad player better, but there has to be some inate ability to start with to be great at a physical skill
    Unlike BJ which is mainly math and memory...Steven Hawking would kill at cards. ..but not craps
    And i could play golf 12 hrs a day...and Tiger could show up hungover and smoking a joint and beat my ass like a red headed step child!, lol
     
  19. Bondy3

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    that may be true,

    I think a lot of it has to do with the table your playing at, if your playing on a new table that is extra bouncy then dice control is near impossible, if your playing at the Rio on one of the older tables that are more stiff, I think its more feasable.

    but I think if the casino suspected you are being able to control the dice they would make you stop playing
     
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    You may set the dice in a V, but I noticed that the dice are not in the same configuration every roll. Do you think it makes a difference?
     
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