I noticed that a lot of VMBers show trip reports where they're staying at high-end properties on the Strip and playing $1 or $5 vp at really poor pay tables. (8/5 JoB, 8/5 DDB STP or some other short pay table). I was wondering if these people understand that they are losing money at about 4x the rate they would be if they were playing at a full pay machine. Do you think they know that they are getting ripped royally (pun intended!) and just don't care because they like the atmosphere and location of the casino? Do you think they just don't care enough about their losses? They do seem to know if the table games offer a lesser game so I think they must know that they're playing a vp game that's really quite bad. I just feel that these guys aren't really going to Las Vegas to try to win but just to blow a lot of money.