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Dealer mistake question

Discussion in 'The Poker Room' started by TFK, Dec 29, 2013.

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  1. TFK

    TFK High-Roller

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    Ok, here's the scenario....

    Two players are in on the hand, and after the flop, both have bet a considerable amount on the hand. When the dealer goes to turn over the Turn card, he also accidentally turns over the River card as well.

    At that point, what happens?


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  2. allinpflop

    allinpflop Tourist

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    As a floor in my poker room the ruling would be......as long as the correct card can be determined to be the turn card it will remain in place and betting will be completed. If the next card from the top of the deck was placed face up as the river then it would remain in place as the burn card. If the dealer had burned and then placed the river the burn would remain in place and the stub gets shuffled and a new river without the burn comes out.
     
  3. Sinatraatthesands

    Sinatraatthesands Low-Roller

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    The dealer will call the floor who will rule that the turn card remains in play. The exposed "river" card will be the burn card on the river and a new river will be dealt. The exposed card would have almost certainly been the burn card anyway and the real river card is being dealt. The only problem is the potential information gained by the exposed burn card that can influence 4th and 5th street action.
     
  4. TFK

    TFK High-Roller

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    The incident happened at a home game last night. We played a tournament, and were down to the last 2 players. We also had a designated dealer, and his method of dealing was to deal out all of the cards face down at one time, including the flop, turn, river and burn cards, then just turn the cards over as needed.

    So the exposed river card was indeed the river card.

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  5. bardolator

    bardolator Lifelong Low Roller

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    Peculiar dealing method. Anyone else ever heard of it? Would be added incentive for marking cards, since players would get a good look at the backs.
     
  6. hillwood24

    hillwood24 High-Roller

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    Definitely a home game as the OP mentioned. This would never work in a real casino for the reasons you mentioned. I see nail marks in cards all the time at my local casino. This would get completely out of hand if the cards were dealt like this.
     
  7. TFK

    TFK High-Roller

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    It's a friendly home game. Nobody is marking cards.

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  8. Adam

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    As it's a home game, take dealer outside and give him a KITN. More seriously, ask him politely to deal properly and not the way he does - which I assure you is mainly down to laziness.

    In this particular incident, take the remainder of the deck and the exposed river card, shuffle them all together and top card is new river card. The current river card is no more than a piece of paper until this has been done.
     
  9. bardolator

    bardolator Lifelong Low Roller

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    Even if no one is marking cards, which they probably are not, sometimes a card will get marked accidentally in the course of play and someone might notice. Did you use a new deck toward the end?

    Point is that there is nothing better about dealing that way. It's sloppy. Cards could be exposed. In my home games, if there is any question about the honesty or skills of players, I just deal and tend bar.
     
  10. joshrocker

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    In our home game, the exposed card is always the burn card. You can never let the exposed card stay because it can change so much. In a home game, it will be up to a group vote but, you could either discard the exposed card or reshuffle it into the deck. Our standard rule is to discard it.
     
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