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Daily Theo Cutoff and Questions

Discussion in 'Comps' started by PopsOLA, Sep 8, 2012.

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  1. PopsOLA

    PopsOLA Low-Roller

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    A few questions about the daily theo. We are heading over for a few days in Vegas. We are taking approx $2000-3000 to split between the wife and myself for the entire trip which will be 4 full days and nights. We usually only take $1500 to split but work has been extremely good lately so I figure I might as well enjoy it while I can. I don't mind losing the money if we have fun, but I want to make sure the comps continue or maybe even get better. I know there isnt any end all answer for COMPS but which would be the best way to play? We enjoy comps we get at CET/TR, but always end up at MGM properties playing. We got room comps at both locations.

    If lets say the wife and I were to play, is it best to play with same card, or link our cards somehow? TR allows you to link while setting up reservations but I figure that may just help with COMP rooms and not free play. Would it be best for us to use 1 card instead of 2?

    If I dropped $10k in coin-in at CET property for example, but did it over a 4 day period, would that earn me the same comps as if I dropped that same 10k in a 2 day period? I always figured since its daily theo if you have $5000 coin in 1 day and only $1000 the next, they would average it at $3000/day, is this right? The reason I ask is I figure rather then randomly going from casino to casino I would dedicate 2 days to CET, 1 day to MLIFE, 1 day to Cortez (since we love it there). I would hate to have a nice daily theo and the last night we go broke casino hopping and it ruins our daily avg theo.

    And final questions, is there a cutoff? I've heard the daily theo cutoff is 4am. Now, of course I can check this myself by just inserting my card and checking if it says 0 daily points or whatever i've been at but I just figured i'd ask if anyone knew. Also does betting amt make any difference? For example if im betting $3 a spin all day and change to $0.50 a spin for last couple of hours, would that hurt in any way?
     
  2. leo21

    leo21 VIP Whale

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    Umm, I can only answer a little of this. The playing day at CET is 6AM to 5:59AM in Vegas. In other locales it depends on their operating hours. If what has been stated in their annual reports is accurate, when you check into one of their hotels, they evaluate the entire stay as a trip. The each day is a trip thing would mean more at a local casino in their chain where you come, play for a while and go home.

    For TR, it does seem to help some couples to play on one card if for no other reason than they earn higher tiers faster. But because TR is also based on marketing some people find that it does help to play and get offers on both cards. Sometimes what matters gender, age and address in getting some of these offers. Outside of that, I don't know what they key is to getting free play or show tickets or anything else over free rooms. It is partly theo but sometimes they have decided they want someone like you to come and will throw everything at you to get you there.
     
  3. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Be really careful with the information you get as you have asked multiple questions and some answers might be for the wrong question.

    CET and MGM are different. As are other casinos. In the end, average play for either the day or trip are the real measurements.

    MGM really seems to measure over a multi day visit, and not single gaming days - as far as most have reported here.

    CET measures each day. So, $4k spend over 2 days will give you 2 higher averages than $4k over 4 days. Every DAY that has some activity (gambling, free room, promo, etc) appears to then generate another average day. Some hosts will say they look a the entire trip, and not days. Others say that is true for the host when evaluating comps for that trip, but the computer looks at days. That statement seems to be open to argument.

    As to combining play. The more play on a SINGLE account means your average is then higher. You look like one larger player instead of two smaller players. Simple logic. Downside is the other person with little to no play will of course not get offers. If you always travel together, then keeping one account high makes more sense.
     
  4. paperposter

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    way to much to read but i belive the new day cut off is 5.59 am at cet properties.
     
  5. mike_m235

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    For MLife it's definitely per trip, not per day. I specifically asked my host that question as I was trying to figure out if I needed to do 4 hours per day for my comp. He said I was staying 2 nights, so 8 hours anywhere in my trip was good by him.
     
  6. PopsOLA

    PopsOLA Low-Roller

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    Thanks for the in-depth answers you two. So it would seem if I book a room for 3 nights at CET then even if I don't play 1 day it would still count as $0 towards my average of daily play since I was comped the room. That makes sense to me if true, Our play will never warrant a Host of any type, so I will depend on a computer. We also booked my dad and cousin at MGM for 2 nights comped so I guess I will have them play on my card (since they don't use one) during those nights.

    As far as the sharing card or not, I only asked because my wife didn't receive any offers for rooms and I only got a at IP and spotty everywhere. When we combined it the options opened up pretty well so it got me thinking, if we would have played the entire time on 1 card would I have received these offers from the beginning and maybe FP attached as well? Let's say my THEO was $10k coin-in and hers was $5k coin-in, by being separate we get comped rooms at Caesars but if we had 15k coin-in on one card they may have given same comped room and FP. Who knows, I figure we will use 1 card this time and see how it goes either way.

    Thanks again!
     
  7. luvvp

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    I just went to Reno last weekend and their playing day is 4am - 3:59am.

    It's always good to ask before you begin your play.

    I wrote a comment for this question but it got lost and don't want to write another. The most important thing is cycling of your bankroll. I've had times when I would play hundred after hundred without any action and other times get alot of play which is good!

    $10,000 coin in will give you 1000 tier credits in vp, which is the only game I play.

    If you both always go together, I would play on one card. My husband doesn't gamble so I do it alone. Your tier credits will add up so much quicker.

    Nobody knows how marketing really works. I can only speak from my experience. I was Diamond for years but don't go as often anymore, we have casinos with nice Hotels and I don't have to fly. I am Platinum and find my offers really haven't changed. I can get a room anytime anywhere comped and that's all I care about.

    Good luck but don't chase comps. I hope you achieve your goal and get the most out of your play!
    :wave:
     
  8. numeno

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    The only time where the cutoff would matter to you is on your last day. If you have a flight at like 10am for example. If you want to gamble a little that morning, most people suggest to not use your card so that you don't get that last day added in with a very low amount of gaming.

    Any day that the casino thinks you are there is a day they expect you to gamble and would affect future offers. While there may be some difference between gambling 4k over 2 days vs 4 days, they still think you are there for 4 days(assuming you got a comped or discounted room with your total rewards card).



    I would keep using separate cards. When I've booked with other people in the past, the 2 separate cards together on the reservation was giving me better rooms than I think I would have gotten with just that amount of play on 1 card. CET also seems very stingy on the freeplay they give out in Vegas. It is easy to get rooms, but not much of anything else.

    One possibility would be just to try out putting most of the play on one card this trip and see if some better offers come. Something like 3k on one and 1k on the other.
     
  9. PopsOLA

    PopsOLA Low-Roller

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    Great suggestions ladies and gentlemen! I appreciate it and I think I am going to try 1 card this time to see what happens and if we play small 1 day or so or last day I will use the wifes card to avoid a bad average day. Thanks.
     
  10. nostresshere

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    Some great advice. Back when we could see our ADT number online (with the help of some smart hacker), many of us figured out something really stupid we were doing. Playing $20 when going to breakfast on the last day was a big mistake. Once I stopped doing that, my ADT went up. Also learned to not stip into a casino to pick up a $30 giveaway if I was not planning to give them serious play.
     
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    Good advice. Also, don't swipe your card that last morning to check point totals or buy something at the gift shop etc.
    Nobody asked, but Boyd's day starts at midnight.
     
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    So, I've read here and there that, if your booked under an offer or comp, your checkout day counts toward your daily average calculation with CET. Anyone know if that is actually the case?
     
  13. nostresshere

    nostresshere Mr. Anti Debit Card

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    Can not confirm.

    But, I do go down and clear my account around midnight the day BEFORE checking out. You can see a date online as to the last activity, and using this trick I sometimes see the day before leaving. No idea if this helps me or not, but it is worth the effort.
     
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    I can't confirm either, but this seems like it would be a pretty big oversight on their part. I've assumed they give me 3 comped nights because I will be there for 4 days/3 nights.

    Maybe it is as simply as if you earn a tier point on that day, it counts as a day. I know a few people have mentioned MGM does it differently as they do a window of a few days. This may also be a reason why my offers are lower since I generally only gamble at MGM properties 1 day per trip.
     
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    Every casino has what is called a gaming day, where they measure everyones in and out with in that time period. Each casino has its own gaming day. Telling the gaming day can for some reason result in fines and other punishments, also asking an employee can get marks on your account. As for offers they are usually (at least where I work) based on average per trip. I trip is any day that you go into the casino on play on your card. If you play 1 cent it shows up. Another thing to keep in mind is that each casino that you play at is rating you, not each group. So your play at Paris is different than your play at Caesars. They are both CET but they both view you differently as a player based on what you play at their casino it doesn't do Paris any good if you spent all day at Flamingo spending money. But you will still get offers from CET for vegas no matter where you play and build tier scores and points that can be cashed in.

    IF you ALWAYS play the same times at the same places, and go on all vacations together... play on the same card will get you better perks. Just having the other card will get you better offers on rooms and such but the perks are good for two people :beer: this is what we recommend.
     
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    tables is a lot different with the cutoff. the reason is when you play doesn't matter nearly as much as when they submit your rating. i've had ratings submitted with all kinds of weird times and days. i've even had ratings submitted for days i wasn't even at the casino. so trying to time your play to meet some sort of cutoff just doesn't work.
     
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    Another question about this. What if you stay at a CET property but divide your play. For example, at day one you play at CET, day 2 at MGM, day 3 CET, day 4 MGM again. How would MGM (the resort you are not staying at) evaluate your play comp wise? Would they register 2 days of play or would they register at least 3 days in town and divide your play over these 3 days since there's one day of no play between two days showing play at their casino? Just curious. Thanks for the info
     
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    The word from most people is that MGM evaluates over a multiple day trip. Has nothing to do with your staying at CET, or playing at Wynn or spending the day at the Grand Canyon. They take all your play over multiple days and call that a trip.

    CET on the other hand causes their computer to track average play for the day. Having some "event" in their system triggers another average. Or so we are led to believe. If you have a comped room for 4 days, you may or may not have 4 or maybe even 5 events right there.
     
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    The playing day for Mlife is 3am to 2:59am. We had an issue our last trip with points and credits not showing up and the Mlife manager told us that the playing day ran from 3am to 2:59am. He said that since we got our points at 6am that they would post by tomorrow...they never did however.
     
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    I'm ashamed to admit it, but when my flight leaves early, I check out of my CET property a day earlier, play that whole day in that casino, then slum the last night in the Excalibur or similar. If I knew the check-out day didn't count as a day towards ADT, it would make life simpler.

    Anyways, as to the casino gaming days, the current Great Race to Rewards promo official rules lists the following "Promotional Days" as:

    Maybe I'm simple, but I would assume the playing days would be the same.
     
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